The_Great_Gobbo
Joined: Aug 04, 2014
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Oct 01, 2014 - 23:42 |
 
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Eezy way ter sort dis, get rid o aktiv listz! Az in der end yew iz eivver der best evva or da furst o da loozerz. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 01, 2014 - 23:51 |
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| Garion wrote: | | active means living, all time means best ever including dead. I really dont see the problem. |
It is a case of people wanting to know who is the best right now.
Yes, yes. Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson etc but they ain't active.
People want to know about teams/players that they might actually run into.
For me, teams that only play once every two years don't count. |
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cameronhawkins
Joined: Aug 19, 2011
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Oct 02, 2014 - 00:05 |
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| Garion wrote: | | active means living, all time means best ever including dead. I really dont see the problem. |
Yeah, we understand your take, but I think if you are honestly saying you 'really dont see the problem' you're just not listening.
There's no point in differentiating 'Active' and 'All-Time' if the former includes players who haven't taken to the pitch in years and will likely not play in the foreseeable future, as these players may as well be dead. In many cases, there's a greater chance of an active coach using a Scroll on a dead player than any of these 'living' players returning, so how much sense does this distinction make?
I'd politely wager a sum that if Christer could have snapped his fingers at the start and made it something more like the_Sage describes, he would have, but didn't particularly want to invest the time at the moment.
Whether or not this is currently a worthy use of anyone's time is (I suppose) what we're ruminating about right now... |
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Overhamsteren
Joined: May 27, 2006
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Oct 02, 2014 - 00:11 |
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| Garion wrote: | | active means living |
According to thesaurus...well actually is does 
But it also means playing some Nuffle damn games and not just sitting on ones posterior for freaking eternity!  |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Oct 02, 2014 - 00:12 |
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Still, I suppose that many of my teams are inactive by my own definition, simply from having to compete with all my other teams for my time (and that of my opponent), even if they do go on gamefinder. =) |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 02, 2014 - 00:21 |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Oct 02, 2014 - 00:28 |
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Cameron gets to the heart of it. When a team drops off the face of the earth in terms of being played, they are categorically identical to retired teams. I know it's kind of pushy to say "hey, if you haven't played in X amount of time, you're going to only be shown on the all-time table". We can argue back and forth about what arbitrary point in time is reasonable, but at this point in time, the active lists aren't nearly as useful in measuring your players to their peers and its nearly a redundant list to all-time at certain positions despite the years gone bye.
I understand that nothing that is suggested that requires a lot of work is usually implemented because of stretched programming resources but that doesn't mean they are bad ideas or that the status quo is perfunctory. I am pleased that I'm not the only one who thinks this would be a better way to approach it. |
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T3mpano
Joined: Jul 17, 2014
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Oct 02, 2014 - 11:50 |
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I'm only a newcomer and I'll be damned if I ever enter any top anything with any of my players (they just die too fast!).
However, the difference between dead/alive (all time/active)seems reasonable.
Maybe a some coach is sitting comfortably in his castle sipping cognac and basking on his top achievements...with an open eye in case he has to bring back his team to the pitch, be it in 1 week or 10 years...
Wanna make it to a top position? Beat the record  |
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Tarabaralla
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
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Oct 02, 2014 - 12:12 |
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| koadah wrote: | | Garion wrote: | | active means living, all time means best ever including dead. I really dont see the problem. |
It is a case of people wanting to know who is the best right now.
Yes, yes. Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson etc but they ain't active.
People want to know about teams/players that they might actually run into.
For me, teams that only play once every two years don't count. |
I'm with Garion.
Real people get old, BB players don't, this is the main bug in your reasoning.
I like to see legendary performers on the list, not just the "hotness of the month".
In fluff, if a player managed to survive his career and reach such a legendary record, he's probably playing less because he already has all he needs, wasting all his goods in women and fungi beer. Whenever he'll fall short of golden pieces again, he'll come back! |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Oct 02, 2014 - 12:14 |
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| koadah wrote: | At least one of mine hasn't played in 5 years. But like Mike Tyson I suppose they could still play again.  |
George Forman came out of retirement to fight again at the age of 40+
retirement being the key word here. Those teams/players aren't retired.
| T3mpano wrote: | I'm only a newcomer and I'll be damned if I ever enter any top anything with any of my players (they just die too fast!).
However, the difference between dead/alive (all time/active)seems reasonable.
Maybe a some coach is sitting comfortably in his castle sipping cognac and basking on his top achievements...with an open eye in case he has to bring back his team to the pitch, be it in 1 week or 10 years...
Wanna make it to a top position? Beat the record |
exactly this ^ |
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T3mpano
Joined: Jul 17, 2014
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Oct 02, 2014 - 12:34 |
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| Tarabaralla wrote: |
I like to see legendary performers on the list, not just the "hotness of the month". |
Maybe this is a mid-road solution: do a "did you know" banner/line with the "most cas in October".
Or here's an idea for you design/IT geeks: how about a monthly newsletter/blog with the top category of the month?
Records are records, but maybe putting the spotlight on monthly performances... |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Oct 02, 2014 - 12:39 |
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Koadah's scripts should be able to do this, I think? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 02, 2014 - 12:56 |
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| Tarabaralla wrote: |
I like to see legendary performers on the list, not just the "hotness of the month". |
Umm... That is why you have "all time" lists.
| Garion wrote: | | Koadah's scripts should be able to do this, I think? |
My stuff is team focused. I did look at taking the player data to but never finished it. I won't be doing it now. 
If you only want a months data that shouldn't be too bad for someone to do. But for all time/greatest/legends etc that is a lot of grinding unless Christer builds an API for it. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 02, 2014 - 13:00 |
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| Garion wrote: | | koadah wrote: | | At least one of mine hasn't played in 5 years. But like Mike Tyson I suppose they could still play again. |
George Forman came out of retirement to fight again at the age of 40+
retirement being the key word here. Those teams/players aren't retired.
| T3mpano wrote: | I'm only a newcomer and I'll be damned if I ever enter any top anything with any of my players (they just die too fast!).
However, the difference between dead/alive (all time/active)seems reasonable.
Maybe a some coach is sitting comfortably in his castle sipping cognac and basking on his top achievements...with an open eye in case he has to bring back his team to the pitch, be it in 1 week or 10 years...
Wanna make it to a top position? Beat the record |
exactly this ^ |
Effectively they are.
Basically, there is no logic to this argument. It is purely about people wanting different things for different reasons.
I just don't know why you would want an 'active' list full of players that are not 'active'. |
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Tarabaralla
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
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Oct 02, 2014 - 13:19 |
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Because they survived!
It's not a minor achievement |
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