HamilcarBarca
Joined: Sep 05, 2014
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:15 |
 
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Hey all. The next match in my TT League is against a rookie Orc team and my team has Deathroller, a dodge runner and a MB slayer so he'll have 230 inducements to play with and I'm worried about the havoc he could reek with a wizard.
As a dwarf my play style essentially revolves around bashing and caging and caging and bashing. While a Wizzy wouldn't throw my bashing game off a well placed and poorly timed fireball with a few lucky rolls could really screw the pooch. Any advice? |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:18 |
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Not to worry about the wizard at all...just do what you do.
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It is a orc team...even if he should blow up the ball carrier it is not like they are going to swoop in, pick up the ball in a TZ, dodge out, 2 XGFI, long bomb to the guy down the pitch. Like those stupid elves do all the time. |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:22 |
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Just give the ball to the deathroller they are immune to the effects of wizards. |
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PaddyMick
Joined: Jan 03, 2012
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:30 |
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I'd say the worst thing to do would be to let it affect your game too much. Having said that, make sure your safe if you are stalling. If you have a spare runner keep him near the ball carrier to pick up if he gets bolted. |
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HamilcarBarca
Joined: Sep 05, 2014
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:30 |
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Deathrollers have NoHands so they can't carry the ball... |
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mr-maverick
Joined: Sep 10, 2010
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:31 |
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i'd be more worried about the use of a lightning bolt to take out the player as gets towards the end zone than i would the fireball, tbh
i wouldnt suggest making quite such a tight cage as u may do normally, but other than that there isnt a lot u can do to defend against it |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:51 |
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| HamilcarBarca wrote: | | Deathrollers have NoHands so they can't carry the ball... |
He was joking  |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 21, 2014 - 17:54 |
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loose cage, second runner 2 squarrs behind at back of cage, look to score in t6 so you can recovery if he wizzes you in t6, etc |
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HamilcarBarca
Joined: Sep 05, 2014
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Oct 21, 2014 - 18:16 |
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How do you form a "loose" cage that isn't completely vulnerable? I can't visualize it. I guess I could just screen possible threats... |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Oct 21, 2014 - 18:18 |
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I prefer mega bunker over loose cage or side line cage or staggered cage or zone caging.
I think you got some homework to get on HamilcarBarca. |
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HamilcarBarca
Joined: Sep 05, 2014
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Oct 21, 2014 - 18:25 |
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Thanks for all the advice! You're right Pain, I've got some books (and other stuff) that need hitting... |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Oct 21, 2014 - 19:41 |
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| Garion wrote: | | HamilcarBarca wrote: | | Deathrollers have NoHands so they can't carry the ball... |
He was joking |
Was I?
I just figured that in table top you can 'get away' with a lot more than you can get away with at FUMBBL
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Oct 21, 2014 - 19:46 |
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A loose cage can be like an x, but with 2 players in the middle. Or with an empty square. Anything wider than an x cage that doesn't give up a blitz without dodging, really. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 21, 2014 - 20:32 |
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| HamilcarBarca wrote: | | How do you form a "loose" cage that isn't completely vulnerable? I can't visualize it. I guess I could just screen possible threats... |
this, good sir, is why one takes a wizard. |
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happygrue
Joined: Oct 15, 2010
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Oct 21, 2014 - 22:27 |
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I don't have a real dorf team, but here is a match where my DE played some orcs where we *both* had wizards. I had big time luck on my side against a top coach, and managed to win it, but look at how excellently he positions his anti-wizard defenses. Double layers, loose cages, no good time to use a wizard. I felt I also played the anti-wizard defense well, but it's much easier to do with fast moving elves than slow moving orcs and dwarves.
https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3549491
In a nutshell, playing against a wizard means deciding each turn to either give your opponent NO good shot to use a wizard (loose position no clear targets, bad chance to pick it back up for them), or to give them a chance that you think they might take but that you feel you can recover from (perhaps a fireball where they have to get 3 certain players down to get the ball or a chance to get the ball but they will have a major throw to make to get it to safety. You really *want* to bait the wizard out early because it can ruin your game for them to have it (we both kept ours into the second half), but you also want them to use it early and then be able to recover the ball yourself, ideally. 
For an example of such a risk, but probably not a good one, here I tried to bait the wizard with my slann a little too much (about 48% to stun me IIRC, but if I made the 52% not stunned I could jump back up and get the ball to safety... but I failed):
https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3608812
I really was trying to get him to use the wizard, but I should have kept another frog back because his chance to use the wizard successfully was too great (which he did). |
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