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| How do you read diving tackle? |
| No matter what the dodger rolls, DT should be prone |
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38% |
[ 13 ] |
| Only if the dodger is brought down, DT should be prone |
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5% |
[ 2 ] |
| Only if the dodger is brought down, DT should be prone, but if RR/dodge allows the dodger to succeed, DT is still prone |
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14% |
[ 5 ] |
| Only if the dodger is brought down because of the -2, DT should be prone |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| Only if the dodger is brought down because of the -2, DT should be prone, but if RR/dodge allows the dodger to succeed, DT is still prone |
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38% |
[ 13 ] |
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| Total Votes : 34 |
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DrDiscoStu
Joined: Feb 20, 2006
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Jun 18, 2014 - 13:47 |
 
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| Mr_Foulscumm wrote: |
Now, if the DT is allowed to stay on his feet if the RR succeeds, he has just gotten the opponents RR at no actual cost to his positioning. Sounds fair? I think not 
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Of course it does. DT is an underpowered skill that is rarely used. What harm would strengthening it be? Would SF/DT/T become the new Clawpomb? Unlikely. |
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DrDiscoStu
Joined: Feb 20, 2006
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Jun 18, 2014 - 13:50 |
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| xnoelx wrote: | | Fluffwise, it also wouldn't make any sense for a player to use Diving Tackle and not have dived, whether he was successful in tackling his opponent to the ground or not. |
Of course it would. With a reroll you are both diving and not diving at the same time. How does that work fluff wise? If he fails both time due to the -2 have you dived twice? Of course not - you should assume the second roll is the action. |
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xnoelx
Joined: Jun 05, 2012
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Jun 18, 2014 - 13:59 |
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No. The Dodge is rerolled. The dive to tackle the dodgee happens regardless. The 2nd roll is the action. But it's the dodge action, with a penalty caused by you diving, which has already happened. |
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DrDiscoStu
Joined: Feb 20, 2006
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Jun 18, 2014 - 14:07 |
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Okay I will admit defeat on this one. I still think there is no issue from a fluff perspective as I view a reroll as "trying something again" but I concede my logic was flawed. |
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Endzone
Joined: Apr 01, 2008
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Jun 18, 2014 - 14:31 |
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At risk of this thread ending in a dignified death I would like to point out that there is a precedent for skills or skill mechanics not really following fluff / logic e.g.:
Intercept roll made before pass roll (JJ said - and I paraphrase - the mechanic works better this way - just think of it as a series of rolls that lead to an outcome rather than worrying about the logical series of events)
Piling on decision after the armour / injury rolls (Really? I smash you to the floor and wait to consider whether I have injured you sufficiently before piling on? More likely I drive you into the ground in one fluid, crushing action!)
Claw - deadly talons or a prehensile claw which strike fear into Treemen, Ogres and Dwarves, but have no effect on goblins, halflings or lightly armoured elves!! (I note the skill or an equivalent is required however to prevent AV9 dominance)
Don't even get me started on the chain push mechanic, which is ludicrous from a logic or fluff perspective (Zug to Griff: "Don't worry that you're not quick enough to score in the few seconds we have left after the drive restarts because I'll block a guy and choose for him to be pushed into a guy who will be pushed into a guy who will be pushed into you. Then Ziggi will do the same, and then Rittor and you'll be away! Just remember not to start running when the ref first blows his whistle to give time for us to shunt you forward, thus increasing your net speed.") However the chain push mechanic is one of the most fun and tactically interesting things in the whole game! |
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Replikant
Joined: Sep 06, 2014
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Oct 21, 2014 - 16:08 |
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| Mr_Foulscumm wrote: |
Dodge roll is made.
Coach decides to use DT since it will bring his opponent down.
Dodger rerolls to beat the DT score.
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Sorry for the thread-necromancy, but I am still not entirely sure about the mechanics.
Lets assume Coach A declares a dodge and Coach B has the option to DT with one or more players.
The way I understand the rules (and also Mr_Foulscumms post) is:
If a diving tackle is declared for the first roll by Coach B and Coach A then uses a reroll for the dodge roll, the second roll is also modified with the -2 DT-modifier.
Is this correct?
The rules state that Diving Tackle may be used on a rerolled dodge if not declared for use on the first Dodge roll.
This clarification is in the rules to give Coach B the option to declare DT on a dodge reroll, I assume? It could also be interpreted in a way that you can apply the DT-modifier either to the first roll, or to the reroll but not to both. |
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Stimme
Joined: Jun 30, 2013
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Oct 21, 2014 - 16:56 |
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It's correct. The -2 also applies to the rerolled dodge. |
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Smeat
Joined: Nov 19, 2006
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:10 |
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| Replikant wrote: | | Sorry for the thread-necromancy... |
Don't be - makes much more sense to post as a continuation here than have a clarification in a diff thread on the identical topic. |
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