kilinrax
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
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Feb 26, 2015 - 13:34 |
 
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Playing a TT league, with a house rule that no two players in the same position can have the same set of skills.
Two of my blitzers have skilled up in the second game. No doubles. The first getting dodge is a no brainer, but what to give the second?
Frenzy has been suggested, but my instinct is strip ball.
Match schedule is (if that affects choice): chaos dwarves, nurgle, chaos pact, necromantic, lizardmen, pro elves, dwarves. |
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PaddyMick
Joined: Jan 03, 2012
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Feb 26, 2015 - 13:43 |
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You said 'same set of skills'. Can he get Dodge later? Or is Dodge taken by the other guy and that's it now? |
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kilinrax
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
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Feb 26, 2015 - 13:50 |
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He can get dodge at 16 spp, sure. Same combination of skills, not same skills!
It's a great house rule, I really like it. Reduces the predictability of blanket clawpomb or one turners. |
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PaddyMick
Joined: Jan 03, 2012
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Feb 26, 2015 - 14:05 |
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In that case, looking at the games you have coming, Side Step seems best. |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Feb 26, 2015 - 14:16 |
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tackle is something you will need, eventually. It seems a solid choice to me, unless there's no dodgers in your league. |
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Loew
Joined: Feb 02, 2005
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Feb 26, 2015 - 14:56 |
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you will need tackle eventually, but if you face your next opponents in the order of the list you provided, you will probably not need it in the next games.
Frenzy is ok, but usually it becomes a liability if you have more than one or two...so if you use witchelfs, I wouldn't take frenzy on a DE blocker.
I would go with SideStep to annoy my opponents, set up surfs, harass the ballcarrier etc.
Outsider vote for Strip Ball...I often find that either my Strip Baller is in a bad situation for a blitz (so he would need ag5+ or leap) or I get a 2d with tackle anyway, so Strip Ball is not really needed. But it can change games...
Outsider vote 2 to Dauntless. I never tried it, but I have seen good coaches take it early on elfentype Blitzer to deal with str 4+ player on the LoS and on cage corners. |
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NerdBird
Joined: Apr 08, 2014
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Feb 26, 2015 - 15:16 |
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You need tackle by the time you get to Necro. It probably will not be handy in the next two though. But those teams will most likely not have sure hands either. In that respect, I would go Strip Ball. |
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kilinrax
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
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Feb 26, 2015 - 15:35 |
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My hesitation with side step before dodge is that even with dodge - when I've played woodies and had it on my wardancer - I've often faced uncomfortable decisions between keeping my side-stepper on the ball carrier and getting him blocked by the entire cage in succession (and inevitably ending up stunned or worse), or side stepping him away. Maybe I'm using it wrong, but I've found much better use of it on the LoS.
Tackle is great but doesn't feel like it would get much use over my next few games.
Dauntless is an interesting choice! My instinct says that it's better for either a ST2 catcher or later in the player's development, when he's almost certainly not going to get +ST (which would make it largely redundant). |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Feb 26, 2015 - 15:43 |
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tackle or sidestep.
Interesting rule. Does that mean you can't take dodge on the third player, even if the first already has 16 SPPs? That would really suck on lineman-heavy teams. You have a beastman with block, one with wrestle, one with Mb, one with guard, and then you skill 2 or 3 more... |
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kilinrax
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
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Feb 26, 2015 - 15:57 |
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If the first blitzer to take dodge has earned 16 spp / a second skill, before the third/fourth blitzer gets his first skill / 6 spp, then the third/fourth blitzer can take dodge as his first skill. Otherwise no, he has to take a different one from the first two blitzers.
We haven't played it enough to know what effects it has long term. I'd imagine you're right, lineman-heavy/positional-light teams would suffer the worst, or those with a very predictable standard development path (high elves). |
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Gartch
Joined: Sep 07, 2012
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Feb 26, 2015 - 16:21 |
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Interesting rule, and interesting choice 
I hesitate between strip ball and dauntless.
Strip ball is better after dodge, but if you can hope the blitzer can quickly get 16 SPP it can be a good idea. Also if you afe 3RR and not 2, you can consider to spend one on a dodge to enter the cage and blitz ball carrier with the strip ball.
Dauntless will be useful against the ST4+ which are in all 5 next teams you are going to face, but again if the player is not in the right place, it's less good, so again without dodge it's less good
PS: These rules seem really interesting. I (and it seem I would not the only one )would be interested in your thought about these rules at the end of the league. I think it would be an interesting topic:) |
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Rat_Salat
Joined: Apr 22, 2011
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Feb 28, 2015 - 18:59 |
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You want a strip ball somewhere on an elf team.
Don't be one of those weird people and take it on a Witch |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Feb 28, 2015 - 19:12 |
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strip ball or diving tackle for me
yeah i know diving tackle on a guy without side step (or blodge) is kind of weird, but you have to use him a bit differently basically you stick him on a player you don't want to move, but your opponent also isn't going to blitz free
eventually you will want blitzers with (assume they all blodge when they can) side step/diving tackle, tackle, stripball, hopefully a double for MB on the 4th. |
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kilinrax
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
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Mar 01, 2015 - 13:34 |
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| Rat_Salat wrote: | | strip ball ... don't be one of those weird people and take it on a Witch |
Heh, yes. I made that mistake when playtesting some build ideas on Cyanide. Never build AV7 players - or anyone with frenzy - as sackers if you have other options.
Now I only build witches as killers; block over wrestle, juggers or MB over guard, def no SB. |
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kilinrax
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
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Mar 01, 2015 - 13:40 |
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[duplicate post please ignore/delete] |
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