bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 24, 2015 - 16:07 |
 
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| albinv wrote: | | Dark Elfes are also more on the challenging and different side of BB. |
The 4 blitzer + 1 runner build is rather forgiving, straightforward, and easy. |
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albinv
Joined: Sep 15, 2012
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Apr 24, 2015 - 16:42 |
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Well...but if you read the standard guides its rather suggested that DEs are probably the most challenging elf race or the oddest at least. And especially the latter is true: they are a complete different breed as their brothers - as they are restricted to a running game mostly. So they really wont teach you playing elfs and not really teach you a regular AG3 running game either...
There is more ofc: Odd positionals and being rather expensive. A high frustration potential. Can you see the rookie going mad and not grasping why he fails all the 2+ rolls on a bad day? Its only a 2+ you know....^^
What is a Witch used for if i have 4 Blitzers (also it comes with the frenzy trap on AV7)? And how do i use my runner if there arent any throwers around at all? Dont even mention the completely odd assassins!
True 4 Blitzers is great to start out with and AG4 helps getting the ball into the endzone, without doubt.
But ask yourself how many misbuild rookie DE teams have you seen? The assassin is one of the most tempting and successful rookie traps there is.
Picture that feverish expression on the rookie's face telling you he's gonna shred your team to pieces with his 2 assassins after you tried to advice him...(on top of it he will probably also rip you a new one with only 1-2 RRs!) ^^
I probably have seen more misbuild rookie DE teams than of any other race.
As much as i like delfs - if you look at it closely and try to be objective it should show that DE are indeed a pretty unique race.
If i apply the two factors of being reasonable easy to win with and not being very unique....im not sure where i would place Delfs, but average at best (all applying only to the BB beginner ofc, goes without saying). |
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Mr_Hayward_99
Joined: Dec 13, 2014
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Apr 24, 2015 - 20:22 |
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Thanks for all responses. - ive read all help forum advice etc - I guess though as mentioned that it is situational - teaching basics of caging on paper is very different to moving and screening caging in game.
I thought it would be good to just specialise with 1 or 2 teams but like the idea of learning just playing game with rookie teams to learn te game rather than focusing on meta gaming of skill development .
My first league I played Kemri - then dwarves , I've also played lizards and chaos 1 got a nurgle team
Never really played dash -although talking about risk management do people every really play a passing game?
Might try some humans an elves and orcs - I just not too keen on the fluff with those teams - maybe have to suck it up |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Apr 24, 2015 - 20:25 |
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I play a passing game but my favorite teams are Elves and Skaven and I like skilling players up so I have more tools in my inventory. |
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albinv
Joined: Sep 15, 2012
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Apr 25, 2015 - 00:27 |
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@bghandras
You actually were referring to a blitzie + runner roster. I should have read more carefully. Mea culpa!
Theoretically that should work out. In reality however - how many out of 10 rookies asking in a forum would take your whole advice and make just the roster you suggested?
If you get really really lucky you might get 1-3 who will tell you they will do but will still add an assassin or something stupid when making the team. And im very optimistic on that guess to be true.
And who can blame them, its only human nature in the end.
I would just be as irritated about a beginner who would take all my advice and basically just copy me, as i would be disappointed about the type of rookie refusing all the advice he got and asked for.
Look around delf teams and advice threads. Also dont forget i still play just as foolish and stupid as the usual rookie, so i should be able to relate a bit. ^^ It wont work out.
And if .- completely hypothetically - it would work out in a large sample of rookie coaches, then still DE play a DE game. But yes, i think that roster would belong on the list of more rookie suited teams. Still i prefer the idea of starting with those more "basic" teams.
Anyhow who cares...(!)
I liked PG's advice a lot enjoy being rubbish and just play!  |
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akaRenton
Joined: Apr 15, 2008
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Apr 25, 2015 - 00:47 |
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I personally always liked undead as a good learning team. The roles are easy to see, Mummy roadblocks and bashers, zombies/skellies are cheap disposable slow lineman that make you think about positioning, wights for blitzing and ghoul to carry the ball for a few games then explode on a gfi 
Also useful to stick out a race for a decent number of games to learn it better.
Plenty of good advice in this thread. |
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Dunenzed
Joined: Oct 28, 2011
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Apr 25, 2015 - 00:52 |
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| Mr_Hayward_99 wrote: | | Might try some humans an elves and orcs - I just not too keen on the fluff with those teams - maybe have to suck it up |
I love my humans but I'd refer you back to Purplegoo's posts. Firstly, if you don't like the fluff then you aren't going to enjoy being rubbish. Secondly, they are unforgiving for a newer player. Heck they can be unforgiving for an experienced player.
When you settle on a race that you like the looks of then stick with the team. Focus on having fun, and measure success over longer periods of time rather than individual games. What you're looking for is comparing your record from you first 10 games with your next 10 games, and then your next 10, and so on. Or focus on aspects of getting better, like not conceeding as many blocks to the other guys. Or planning out your attack to score on a certain turn. Maybe find a good supportive metagroup if one exists for your chosen race.
Basically success doesn't have to be winning games when you are trying to get better. Winning games will come as by-product of getting better. |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Apr 25, 2015 - 01:19 |
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| Dunenzed wrote: |
Basically success doesn't have to be winning games when you are trying to get better. Winning games will come as by-product of getting better. |
This is what's what. Success is playing a great game and recognizing it regardless of outcome.
My WoC game is the opposite of that. if you want to see someone lose their nerves and head there ya are. That game could have been successful if I played better and still lost, to me at least. But I didn't do one thing I wanted to pregame at all. Too much nerves and coffee. |
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AegisTheHyena
Joined: Nov 22, 2014
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Apr 25, 2015 - 01:45 |
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| akaRenton wrote: | I personally always liked undead as a good learning team. The roles are easy to see, Mummy roadblocks and bashers, zombies/skellies are cheap disposable slow lineman that make you think about positioning, wights for blitzing and ghoul to carry the ball for a few games then explode on a gfi
Also useful to stick out a race for a decent number of games to learn it better.
Plenty of good advice in this thread. |
I've always had a problem with undead. My ghouls get broken more than the zombies do, or even more than my skaven do. It's why I stick to necro when I want to go "undead" --- the wolves can at least hit back while ballcarrying!  |
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DrPoods
Joined: Nov 14, 2013
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Apr 25, 2015 - 02:47 |
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| mrt1212 wrote: | | Dunenzed wrote: |
Basically success doesn't have to be winning games when you are trying to get better. Winning games will come as by-product of getting better. |
This is what's what. Success is playing a great game and recognizing it regardless of outcome.
My WoC game is the opposite of that. if you want to see someone lose their nerves and head there ya are. That game could have been successful if I played better and still lost, to me at least. But I didn't do one thing I wanted to pregame at all. Too much nerves and coffee. |
I don't want to know what you wanted to do pre-game... |
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Plorg
Joined: May 08, 2005
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Apr 26, 2015 - 02:19 |
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To the original poster,
I'm spectating a 145 League game now and...
like the audience at a horror movie, I find myself wanting to shout at the screen
"Don't go in there!" or "What do you mean 'We should split up'?!?" or something similar...
My advice is:
1) Find the match report of a game you played and lost
2) Find the Replay link
3) Find a "Good Coach" who plays in a roster/style that you like and who plays well
4) Make friends with "Good Coach" so that they will take the time to...
5) ...Watch the replay together with an irc chat open.
"Good Coach" will say when to pause/rewind and point out specific mistakes or good plays.
End of each turn, "Good Coach" says what they would have tried instead.
(!Wait until end of turn after talking about what apprentice already did!)
This will be a time commitment on both sides.
The 145 Club is a good start for beginners.
Go there. |
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mardaed
Joined: Jun 15, 2012
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Apr 26, 2015 - 02:53 |
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I just browsed through Wreckage's doc, it's awesome! If it's too much reading for your tastes, you can also try Garion's Wood Elf Playbook. This playbook is applicable to any elf race and is RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME. If you read this and apply it to your elf team, you will increase your win percentage dramatically.
http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/Woodelf2.pdf
For practice on one-turn-TDs and other challenging blood bowl puzzles, check out:
http://bbtactics.com/strategy/articles/challenges/
(I wrote them) Good luck! |
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HammercatFunk
Joined: Oct 22, 2013
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Apr 26, 2015 - 03:14 |
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From one rubbish coach to another, I can tell you that, more than any other race, when I lose with orcs I at least feel like I had a fighting chance. |
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Smeat
Joined: Nov 19, 2006
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May 02, 2015 - 00:53 |
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See longer response re "ball security" here: https://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=26393
| bghandras wrote: | | albinv wrote: | | Dark Elfes are also more on the challenging and different side of BB. |
The 4 blitzer + 1 runner build is rather forgiving, straightforward, and easy. |
DElfs are nice for a starting coach b/c they are "always" in the game. 4x Block is a solid core, Frenzy is a great weapon, MA 7 is fast-ish, 5-6 1-skill Blodgers are a gift, and Ag 4 can do anything - doesn't always pull it off, but it ~can~, and that's fun.
For a starting coach, I'd ignore the Runner (no really helpful starting skills, DO is unreliable, and AV 7 is fragile), and just run the ball w/ the first Blodge Blitzer you get. |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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May 02, 2015 - 05:19 |
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| Purplegoo wrote: | Blaming the RNG and thinking you're brilliant is the bad situation.
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It worked for me!  |
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