cdassak
Joined: Oct 23, 2013
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Apr 28, 2015 - 00:01 |
 
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Apr 28, 2015 - 00:28 |
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Impressive but of course it's you cdassak. I'm surprised the server didn't crash under the weight of those elven boots. |
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Jeffro
Joined: Jan 22, 2009
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Apr 28, 2015 - 05:03 |
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My circus freaks Bizarre Bazaar do this in ranked and the Carolina Black Panther Party does its best to do this in league.
Pro elves are great at this for three reasons. They have cheap linos, they can score short handed, and they have speed to recover positionally from gang fouls they dole out. Nuff' said. Bring the boot and love it!! You have my support  |
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Jeffro
Joined: Jan 22, 2009
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Apr 28, 2015 - 05:11 |
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Oh!
| Rat_Salat wrote: | | Fouling elves died with LRB4... |
Sorry Rat... I never got the memo. I will say, though, that my Elf teams that don't foul haven't had nearly the success the ones that lay the boot do  |
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Jeffro
Joined: Jan 22, 2009
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Apr 28, 2015 - 05:12 |
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Triple post for Fouly |
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DrPoods
Joined: Nov 14, 2013
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Apr 28, 2015 - 05:40 |
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Elves?
FOULING Elves?
God damn it! Why haven't I considered this before? Maybe they are worth playing after all... |
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Catalyst32
Joined: Jul 14, 2008
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Apr 28, 2015 - 09:09 |
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If I wanted to play Fouly Elves... I would play Humans or Norse or Amazons or Skaven.
CHEAP Linemen make getting DEPTH easier and don't cost so much TV by giving up too much in inducements.
Why pay for an Elf when all you really want to do is use him like a Zombie? |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 28, 2015 - 09:18 |
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| babass wrote: | It's not that bad in tourney.
Pink_Charlie (naf#12457) is used to play a fouly elves rosters, and he has decent results since he adopted this strategy.
If i remember correctly without catcher/thrower, 14 men, and for skills 2 dodges on blitzers (to have chances to win), and wrestle / dirty player on lino. |
(memento to Wreckage, as this is also related to his thread)
True what babass said. I think it might be major viable with the following additions:
- Your foulers should not be heavily skilled
- 2 pcs of foulers are ideal
- You don't need a sacker, you aim for attrition
- You absolutely need that bench
- You will need a dedicated killer with MB, but I absolutely would cycle them through until you eventually get a pomber. This would be the position which is the most difficult to get. This means that you should not have guard, thus having problems early.
- You will need a good ball carrier. Either a catcher due to movement8, or a different one with stat increase.
- You will most probably don't need a 1turner, as there is a high chance you will lose players due to fouling, and also to opponents attrition.
- Thrower is risky proposition. 10k for a pass skill, and a leader for 20k is not a bad business, but I wonder if you could protect that leader with a fouling strategy.
- You will sport the rungame, so passing wont be important, so is also catch and NoS less useful than expected.
Good luck, I think this could actually work. Let me know how you proceed. I am very much interested into that project myself. |
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jamesfarrell129
Joined: Dec 23, 2009
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Apr 28, 2015 - 12:06 |
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Fouling with elves can be a pretty good strategy.
I play elves fairly aggressively (my box elves have an AG5 leap/wrestle catcher, that helps a lot). In an ideal game, I'll kick, steal the ball, and score quick. Put a lot of pressure on and you can often repeat that... I'm not afraid of a 5+ dodge into a cage if I can get a 1d wrestle and/or strip-ball block away.
So... you get a TD or two ahead and still have your offence. So next step: keep your team alive. One very good way to do this is to foul, every turn possible. If it works, you can remove players, which helps your game... but if your players get sent off, well at least they aren't going to die this game - its win/win!
I once won the Dirty Player award in a league (10 teams) *ahem* on Cyanide *ahem* with wood elves, which was given to the team with most players sent off  using exactly this strategy. |
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jamesfarrell129
Joined: Dec 23, 2009
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Apr 28, 2015 - 12:09 |
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... and lets not forget, most line-elves get wrestle as a 1st or 2nd skill anyway, which is perfect for setting up fouls! |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 28, 2015 - 13:03 |
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As a side note: Fouling works best in a perpetual league where the opposing team has a really strong player representing huge TV. So it is probably the weakest strategy against rookie team, and probably the strongest against minmaxed team with legends. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Apr 28, 2015 - 14:49 |
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I could see this work well enough. And yes, if you're going to foul with elves, pro elves are the way to go. I did take a dp on my pro elves, but they're pretty much only for XFLs, and developed pro elf positionals are well worth an occasional boot to the face.
I would only keep -MA or -AG ones for LoS and fouling, but sack -ST, -AV and niggle.
DP is the only damage skill you can get on normal rolls, so it lets you play attrition without needing luck for (double) doubles. While it's a fine way to skill a (few) linem(a/e)n, I wouldn't make it a team focus. Build solid positionals, get a kicker, and never get more DP than you have bench. |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Apr 28, 2015 - 15:45 |
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No, it COULD work. Not exactly helpful to post a link to a team that has not played since 2007 when fouling was as powerful as Clawpombing is today. |
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Plorg
Joined: May 08, 2005
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Apr 29, 2015 - 00:50 |
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| Cloggy wrote: |
No, it COULD work. Not exactly helpful to post a link to a team that has not played since 2007 when fouling was as powerful as Clawpombing is today. |
Fair point.
Correction:
It worked before.
It might still work now. |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Apr 29, 2015 - 00:59 |
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LRB4 fouling elf tactic did work, it was the CPOMB of the day.
CRP fouling elf tactic, well, maybe, depends, mmm?
The main problem with a foul centric roster, like that? foul centric.
IF you run across a 14-16 man roster it does not work like a charm.
You give up inducements and the other guy takes 2 babes, well your plan is sunk.
You play against a well balanced team then your lack of block and dodge really shines.
Fouling elves work good IMO in the Box at low to mid TV. Fouling Elves work good in Ranked because coaches laugh at your build and will gladly play you. |
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