Kanny
Joined: Jul 06, 2016
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Jul 28, 2016 - 01:50 |
 
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Hiya guys, So I got my first level up today for my Goblin team today and I rolled a double 6 for my Troll. So I can Give him +STR.
While this is awesome I'm wondering if its overkill? would I be better off going for Block instead? Block makes him much more reliable in both attack and defence, but i'll probably never have another chance to give him +1 Strength again.
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Jul 28, 2016 - 04:59 |
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There's a pretty solid divide on this question, to the point where I don't think either is wrong.
Personally I lean towards +ST, but I like break tackle more than some do.
Just never ever take pro on him ok? |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Jul 28, 2016 - 05:00 |
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I take Block. He'll really stupid on the important ones anyway. |
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tussock
Joined: May 29, 2011
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Jul 28, 2016 - 05:06 |
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+ST, it's the only way to get to ST 7.
https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=10692594
You know you want one. Imagine if you roll doubles next time, you'd have a ST 6 block troll, those things are a nightmare, and my ST 7 troll still smashes them off the pitch, every time. |
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MattDakka
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Jul 28, 2016 - 05:10 |
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Matthueycamo
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Jul 28, 2016 - 05:10 |
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+ST, six times less likely than Block to come again. Harder to knock down just to get a 2D block and fairly easy 3D blocks much of the time with one assist means not having Block is less of an issue anyway. |
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garyt1
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Jul 28, 2016 - 05:13 |
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| licker wrote: | | Just never ever take pro on him ok? |
Pro would be decent for a 2nd double. You wont be so tempted to risk loner.
Block is awesome early on a big guy but as folks say those +S don't come around so often. Unless you are in a tournament I would say go for +S and hope you get block on one of the next couple of levels. |
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Antithesisoftime
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Jul 28, 2016 - 05:49 |
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+St on a big is always nice.
you get 3d blocks with one assist on most players, and ST5 needs 2 assists to get a 2d block against.
You're also far more likely to see another double than you are +ST
Take the ST, you will never regret it.
That said, Block is NOT a bad choice. If you're playing towards the leanest TV you can, I'd take block over ST here. All the same, +ST often is the better option |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Jul 28, 2016 - 07:42 |
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leap, baby |
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thoralf
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Jul 28, 2016 - 07:51 |
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There's always Sneaky Git. |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Jul 28, 2016 - 08:52 |
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don't shun on Nuffle's gift. you know what happens after... |
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Kammo22
Joined: Jun 11, 2011
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Jul 28, 2016 - 09:45 |
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+ST and try to take all out of it. 3D blocks whenever it's possible. |
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Calthor
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
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Jul 28, 2016 - 11:05 |
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+ST.
Also keep in mind, the odds of rolling a double on a future skill up is much bigger than rolling +ST again. |
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Shakall
Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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Jul 28, 2016 - 11:44 |
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On goblin team I would go for block. |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Jul 28, 2016 - 11:56 |
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I'm assuming this is not on here, so will reply on that basis:
Block is the safe standard - your troll is now more reliable than he was before. People will be less inclined to just thoughtlessly mark him up (though they still will, because you can never get rid of that RS roll and skulls happen). In addition, half-dicing him with a blocker is now no longer a semi-attractive option and needs to be considered carefully. Short-term this is a far better option, but your odds of getting the +ST again are slim.
Taking +ST is a slightly dicier proposition. Your troll now gets 3d on one assist, and if/when he gets break tackle, will have a 3+ dodge into a cage if you are ever desperate. Opponents can still half-dice him with impunity (and will, and it'll be extra annoying, anyone who says that getting 3d without block easily makes not having block less of a big deal has never actually played a team that can end up completely reliant on having big guys on their feet at times), and every time you roll both down/both down/skull you will wince. You do however have good odds for rolling another double, and could eventually end up with an st6, block, stand firm behemoth that a lot of teams will struggle to deal with - especially so if you ever induce Ripper alongside him.
So..... I think this depends a lot on meta. In a long-term perpetual division (ie. online), you will, in all likelihood be able to play enough games for the +ST to give solid long-term value (providing no death/bad perms). In a short division, league or tournament where the team is not being carried over, this is incredibly unlikely and block will simply be much better value in terms of winning immediate games. On table top, since gaming dice are less random than an rng, it's probably less likely you get burned by 3d blocks with +ST, but it's also more likely that he goes a lot longer without block.
| licker wrote: | There's a pretty solid divide on this question, to the point where I don't think either is wrong.
Personally I lean towards +ST, but I like break tackle more than some do.
Just never ever take pro on him ok? |
Break tackle is a must on Gob trolls early on anyway - the whole team needs to be mobile, not just the goblins, and while you don't want to be rolling more dice with loners than you need to, it's a necessary evil when you will at some point, need to move that troll.
[edit] It should also be considered that there is also the overall argument that on gobs you want the stats (mostly +AG and +MV) and doubles on a few goblins, and the trolls just want block/break tackle for the most efficient team. |
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