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Poll
Should I fire the Warrior?
Yes - don't allow any perm on your playmakers
22%
 22%  [ 10 ]
No - he can carry on with his duties
72%
 72%  [ 32 ]
Pie - I don't care about humans, only clawpomb in the Box
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 44


OenarLod



Joined: Jan 26, 2011

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 16:15 Reply with quote Back to top

My all around blitzer, the Warrior, of the Vault Tec Squad (human box team), just got a -MA.
Up to now, I've been pretty selective on my players, dropping any perm with the only exception of -MA and -AG linemen for LOS duties. But in this case, I feel he can still be a good player for the team. On the other hand, speed is the main advantage of humans, and I'm a bit worried about losing it...
What's your opinion?

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Calcium



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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 16:18 Reply with quote Back to top

Given that the rest of your team is in good shape, I'd keep him. MA6 is average mobility, and as long as he doesn't soak up another -MA, I would consider it fine.

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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 16:28 Reply with quote Back to top

Keep him for now. Try him out with MA6. If he's not getting the job done any more then let him go.

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maysrill



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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 16:39 Reply with quote Back to top

I don't see him as being terribly much worse at his job now than he was before. MA is always useful, but it's much more critical on a scorer or ball-hawk than on a killer.

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The_Murker



Joined: Jan 30, 2011

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 16:47 Reply with quote Back to top

I think its more complex than that. He's an all around player, able to bash, or dodge away and into a much needed assist. He is now much less useful to get where he needs to go to assist at MV6, but he's still good to bash. So IF the tec squad needs a second basher for the near future, he will be a very expensive basher. I don't feel you need an extra dodging Guard at MV6. I'd fire him once you don't need him to bash to make room to get the next basher OR guard into shape.

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Purplegoo



Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 16:55 Reply with quote Back to top

He's all right for now. The error would be getting more injuries and letting it go too far. One minor injury a team can cope with, but be ruthless before 2-3 have a -AV here or a niggle there. It's amazing how swiftly a team can get really sickly, ineffective and in need of a long refit if you aren't mindful of the cumulative effects of what seem negligible injuries.

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the_Sage



Joined: Jan 13, 2011

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:04 Reply with quote Back to top

Much also depends on your playstyle. If you try to play your humans like unagile skaven, the -MA hurts. If you play them like fragile orcs, it doesn't, really. =)
OenarLod



Joined: Jan 26, 2011

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:10 Reply with quote Back to top

the_Sage wrote:
Much also depends on your playstyle. If you try to play your humans like unagile skaven, the -MA hurts. If you play them like fragile orcs, it doesn't, really. =)


Well, I'm on the fragile orcs side! Smile

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OenarLod



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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:12 Reply with quote Back to top

Purplegoo wrote:
He's all right for now. The error would be getting more injuries and letting it go too far. One minor injury a team can cope with, but be ruthless before 2-3 have a -AV here or a niggle there. It's amazing how swiftly a team can get really sickly, ineffective and in need of a long refit if you aren't mindful of the cumulative effects of what seem negligible injuries.


Well put! -AV or niggle are instant fire for my humans.

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Nelphine



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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:19 Reply with quote Back to top

Utterly ridiculous poll! Pie and clawpomb cannot be combined!

Keep the blitzer though.
propuppetmaster



Joined: Feb 27, 2007

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:34 Reply with quote Back to top

Just sack him and get it over with while your team is in a position to do so. Your other Blitzers are able to support the team just fine while he develops. What you could really use on the team is a nice Stat Freak to put the finishing touch on such a solid team. I'd just cycle through Blitzers until they got +ST or +AG ont he first skill.
PainState



Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Location: Dallas, TEXAS

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:35 Reply with quote Back to top

OenarLod wrote:
Purplegoo wrote:
He's all right for now. The error would be getting more injuries and letting it go too far. One minor injury a team can cope with, but be ruthless before 2-3 have a -AV here or a niggle there. It's amazing how swiftly a team can get really sickly, ineffective and in need of a long refit if you aren't mindful of the cumulative effects of what seem negligible injuries.


Well put! -AV or niggle are instant fire for my humans.


my -AV blitzer legend disagrees
my -MA, N blitzer legend disagrees who also happens to be the best blitzer ever in any DIV with most SPP.

Thus PainState disagrees.

It is not instant pink slip.

There are only 2 instant fire Perms.... a -ST or 2X -AV

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OenarLod



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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:47 Reply with quote Back to top

PainState wrote:
my -AV blitzer legend disagrees
my -MA, N blitzer legend disagrees who also happens to be the best blitzer ever in any DIV with most SPP.

Thus PainState disagrees.

It is not instant pink slip.

There are only 2 instant fire Perms.... a -ST or 2X -AV


I bow to a Hall of Fame member, but the Box is too unforgiving for keeping up nigglers or -av players. I would easily became a prey for all the bashers around...

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Purplegoo



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Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 17:53 Reply with quote Back to top

PainState wrote:
OenarLod wrote:
Purplegoo wrote:
He's all right for now. The error would be getting more injuries and letting it go too far. One minor injury a team can cope with, but be ruthless before 2-3 have a -AV here or a niggle there. It's amazing how swiftly a team can get really sickly, ineffective and in need of a long refit if you aren't mindful of the cumulative effects of what seem negligible injuries.


Well put! -AV or niggle are instant fire for my humans.


my -AV blitzer legend disagrees
my -MA, N blitzer legend disagrees who also happens to be the best blitzer ever in any DIV with most SPP.

Thus PainState disagrees.

It is not instant pink slip.

There are only 2 instant fire Perms.... a -ST or 2X -AV


If I were going to be mean or pitghy, I'd say your win % disagrees. Wink

But in all seriousness, different folks, and all of that.

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PainState



Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Location: Dallas, TEXAS

Post   Posted: May 01, 2012 - 19:28 Reply with quote Back to top

As with all things related to BB it is a grey zone we are dealing with.

My example legends above also are not ho hum. They have +Stats and Walker has +AG/+ST.

I do agree that a perm on a regular lino at 6+, fire the dude.

Your player in question. Well his stat line is average. Would it hurt your team to fire him, nope, you can just make a new one.

My golden rule is never fire +AG humans in less he is so beat down with perms he cant do anything.

The Flip side is the allways fire perm player, period. Jan taught me that lesson way back in 2008. It is a great plan to maintain a sweet spot for humans. So if you are very concerned about W/T/L record that is a good plan OR you play in the box were TV sweet spotting is a good idea. Of course sweet spotting works in Ranked also as Jan can attest to.

Now to the accusation that the Bucs Win% somehow disqualifies them from offering words of wisdom.

I would like to point out, once again, that the Bucs Win% is so putrid due to the fact that my first 200 games with them I was a newb. Thus we started so far in the hole in Win% we will never recover.

You drop the first 200 games and look at the last 540 matches and they are like 10 games above .500 record. I have the total W/T/L record on an excel sheet at home broken down if you would like for me to break that out again.

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