Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Oct 26, 2012 - 21:08 |
 
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Theme alone should not be a reason for a team to exist. Especially when their selling points amounts to "they do hypno gaze like fairies, stab like eshin, and tents like Nurgle".
I like Forest Goblins from back in the warhammer days. I would like to see a team based on them.
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Corvidius
Joined: Feb 15, 2011
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Oct 26, 2012 - 22:23 |
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I like the forest gobbos, they are the ultimate trap and kill team, all about isolating the little guys and stabbing them until they stay out. You can't win a game if you can't make any movement forward and get stabbed in the face when you do. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Oct 26, 2012 - 23:56 |
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| Synn wrote: | I like Forest Goblins from back in the warhammer days. I would like to see a team based on them.
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Spider riders, shamans and Forest goblins is how they were. The tentacles and stab things not particularly but they make them very tricky and interesting to play against. |
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Corvidius
Joined: Feb 15, 2011
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Oct 27, 2012 - 17:20 |
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Just had a look at the pygmies, everyone has Right Stuff but no player with Throw Team Mate? Bit odd. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Oct 27, 2012 - 17:36 |
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| Corvidius wrote: | | Just had a look at the pygmies, everyone has Right Stuff but no player with Throw Team Mate? Bit odd. |
maybe they have a star player that can TTM ? |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Oct 27, 2012 - 17:48 |
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A couple. Gong and Cusi, however they're both 200k plus. Found out about non ttming pygmies the hard way.
However I don't think it's a bad bad thing, I'm quite happy with them not having it. Scoring doesn't seem to be a problem. They need a few improvements though. |
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ErobererZim
Joined: Dec 19, 2009
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Oct 27, 2012 - 18:56 |
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Pygs be an intresting Team but there have to much players without dodge, and a life of an stunty player without dodge is not the longest. In my mind Eagle and/or the Jaguar warrior need Dodge, and the Alligator is totaly useless in my mind, he is pretty slow good he have AV8 and ThickSkull (but stunty), for losfodder not bad but without Dodge he be so fast eaten by the BigGuys and Dodge without dodge and Ag2 isnt the best what is it with Foul Appearance, when no Dodge on em at start.
And what is with the Gnoblars? Gnoblar Heroes? Str2 and/or DP at start? Or what in my mind be better give the 3 Big Guys free and Set the Trapper on max. 2..
Now there be only weak Fairies. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Oct 27, 2012 - 19:42 |
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Agree with you on eagle and jaguar warriors. Disagree on Alligators, they are fine as they are, and most definitely useful.
I have had limited experience with Gnoblars, but they looked pretty well balanced to me. |
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Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Oct 27, 2012 - 19:47 |
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Leave aside balance for a second (I know this is hard), but what exactly do the Pygmies bring to the table? Do they have a good mechanic? What is their mechanic, shadowing? Are they enjoyable to use?
Also, is their fluff good?
I would love to see the team redesigned to include good blitzer type players, base linos with VLL and leap, and the kroxes.
Something like this to replace the Jaguar warrior:
0-2: Headhunters
5 2 3 7 dodge, right stuff, leap, very long legs, horns, claw
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Oct 27, 2012 - 19:51 |
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I'm not sure, but I'm guessing the shadowing is to mimic tracking. However I think removing it would do wonders for the team. Lowering the lino price by 10k and giving the opportunity to give the jaguar warrior something decent.
The only real use I have found for the shadowing is causing mayhem on the los, when the oppo is rolling pushbacks.
Keeping the animal theme is good imo, it's great fluff. Give the eagles dodge to start with, remove the shadowing across the board, and remove the sprint and shadowing from the jaguar warrior and give him something useful like dauntless. |
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noobie2k7
Joined: Sep 28, 2012
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Oct 27, 2012 - 19:52 |
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| ErobererZim wrote: | Pygs be an intresting Team but there have to much players without dodge, and a life of an stunty player without dodge is not the longest. In my mind Eagle and/or the Jaguar warrior need Dodge, and the Alligator is totaly useless in my mind, he is pretty slow good he have AV8 and ThickSkull (but stunty), for losfodder not bad but without Dodge he be so fast eaten by the BigGuys and Dodge without dodge and Ag2 isnt the best what is it with Foul Appearance, when no Dodge on em at start.
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Take a shot everytime he says the word dodge. |
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Corvidius
Joined: Feb 15, 2011
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Oct 27, 2012 - 21:45 |
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It was watching (and playing against) HMs pygmies that made me notice it. Shadowing is really quite handy against horrors but I reckon TTM on the Krox would help a lot. Throwing a Shadowing player next to someone is pretty cool. The Eagle Warriors are fast, Mv 7 in Stunty is like lightning and Leap on 4+ is an interesting option. |
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Duder
Joined: Mar 13, 2012
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Oct 28, 2012 - 01:09 |
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Shadowing occasionally does nice things for the Pygmies, but generally is not worthwhile. I would welcome its removal for a price reduce. |
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Aflo
Joined: Jun 16, 2009
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Oct 28, 2012 - 01:54 |
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There's something to be said about flavour for flavour's sake however... |
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Balle2000
Joined: Sep 25, 2008
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Oct 28, 2012 - 03:29 |
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Definitely voting for reuniting the whole Ogre family in the Gnoblars team. And should they, against the odds, become too strong, then downgrade something else instead imo. |
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