SzieberthAdam
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Oct 24, 2014 - 18:18 |
 
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Recently I am thinking of organizing an NFL-like tournament. Now that I made the scheduler for it so please let me to share the details:
Instead of conferences I splitted the available races into six Divisions:- AFD: Dwarf, Human, Norse, Orc
- CFD: Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Chaos Pact, Nurgle
- DFD: Khemri, Necromantic, Undead, Vampire
- EFD: Dark Elf, Elf, High Elf, Wood Elf
- LFD: Amazon, Lizardman, Skaven, Slann
- SFD: Goblin, Halfling, Ogre, Underworld
In the regular season, two intradivisional round-robin phases (3-3 matches against the teams of same division) enclose two interdivisional phases. The first of these two is the competition of two divisions: each team of a division plays a match against all teams of another division (4 matches). The opponent divisions are cycled on three season rotation, but choosen randomly in the first one. In the second interdivisional phase each team plays a match against the teams of the four remaining divisions which earned the same place in previous season standings, but chosen randomly in first season (4 matches). This results a 14 matches regular season. You can see an example schedule in the next post.
Each division winner race gets into the KO playoffs along with two wild-card teams which are the top two second place teams by comparing the records. Team with the best record playes versus the worst record team in first round and so on.
The name of the league will be FFL. Cool, huh? 
I am not decided in the format though:- It can be organized in L in the regular way. Unfortunately I have bad experience with that. Many droppings and missing deadlines makes the admins a headache from round to round. However, this scenario is not dropped yet.
- I see that there are some popular groups which are not forcing members to schedules (eg. HPL), instead they keep track of the matches played and updates their standings regularly. I am thinking of something like that. FFL group could have many R(!) teams even of a particular race and update the standings as soon an actual matchup is fulfilled. Thus, the records of coaches are booked separately. Naturally, a coach could apply more teams to the group. The group page would be hosted outside of FUMBBL. Since I want to keep the standards in a moderate level, I would like to place some applications criteria for the teams, like a minimum of 25 matches and a decent W%. The number of teams of a race would be maximized at 4-6.
- Same as Option #2 but with no joining necessary. Soon I will be able too keep track of the TopN coaches by races and update the standings if a matchup is fullfiled by them. I would determine N by simulating a league on the previous games.
Thoughts? |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Oct 24, 2014 - 18:19 |
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Example schedule:
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| * Intradivisional Phase Part 1 * | * Interdivisional Phase Part 2 * |
| Round 1 | Round 8 |
| AFD: | EFD vs. AFD: |
| Human vs. Dwarf | Dark Elf vs. Dwarf |
| Orc vs. Norse | Elf vs. Human |
| CFD: | High Elf vs. Orc |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. Chaos Pact | Wood Elf vs. Norse |
| Chaos vs. Nurgle | CFD vs. SFD: |
| DFD: | Chaos vs. Underworld |
| Vampire vs. Khemri | Chaos Dwarf vs. Ogre |
| Undead vs. Necromantic | Chaos Pact vs. Goblin |
| EFD: | Nurgle vs. Halfling |
| High Elf vs. Dark Elf | LFD vs. DFD: |
| Wood Elf vs. Elf | Amazon vs. Vampire |
| LFD: | Lizardman vs. Necromantic |
| Lizardman vs. Slann | Skaven vs. Khemri |
| Amazon vs. Skaven | Slann vs. Undead |
| SFD: | Round 9 |
| Underworld vs. Ogre | EFD vs. SFD: |
| Goblin vs. Halfling | Dark Elf vs. Halfling |
| Round 2 | Elf vs. Ogre |
| AFD: | High Elf vs. Underworld |
| Human vs. Norse | Wood Elf vs. Goblin |
| Dwarf vs. Orc | AFD vs. DFD: |
| CFD: | Dwarf vs. Khemri |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. Nurgle | Human vs. Undead |
| Chaos Pact vs. Chaos | Norse vs. Necromantic |
| DFD: | Orc vs. Vampire |
| Vampire vs. Necromantic | CFD vs. LFD: |
| Khemri vs. Undead | Chaos vs. Lizardman |
| EFD: | Chaos Dwarf vs. Skaven |
| High Elf vs. Elf | Chaos Pact vs. Amazon |
| Dark Elf vs. Wood Elf | Nurgle vs. Slann |
| LFD: | Round 10 |
| Lizardman vs. Skaven | EFD vs. DFD: |
| Slann vs. Amazon | Dark Elf vs. Undead |
| SFD: | Elf vs. Vampire |
| Underworld vs. Halfling | High Elf vs. Necromantic |
| Ogre vs. Goblin | Wood Elf vs. Khemri |
| Round 3 | SFD vs. LFD: |
| AFD: | Goblin vs. Lizardman |
| Human vs. Orc | Halfling vs. Skaven |
| Norse vs. Dwarf | Ogre vs. Slann |
| CFD: | Underworld vs. Amazon |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. Chaos | AFD vs. CFD: |
| Nurgle vs. Chaos Pact | Dwarf vs. Chaos Pact |
| DFD: | Human vs. Chaos |
| Vampire vs. Undead | Norse vs. Nurgle |
| Necromantic vs. Khemri | Orc vs. Chaos Dwarf |
| EFD: | Round 11 |
| High Elf vs. Wood Elf | EFD vs. LFD: |
| Elf vs. Dark Elf | Dark Elf vs. Slann |
| LFD: | Elf vs. Amazon |
| Lizardman vs. Amazon | High Elf vs. Lizardman |
| Skaven vs. Slann | Wood Elf vs. Skaven |
| SFD: | DFD vs. CFD: |
| Underworld vs. Goblin | Khemri vs. Chaos Dwarf |
| Halfling vs. Ogre | Necromantic vs. Chaos |
| * Interdivisional Phase Part 1 * | Undead vs. Nurgle |
| Round 4 | Vampire vs. Chaos Pact |
| EFD vs. CFD: | SFD vs. AFD: |
| Chaos vs. Elf | Goblin vs. Dwarf |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. Wood Elf | Halfling vs. Orc |
| Chaos Pact vs. Dark Elf | Ogre vs. Human |
| Nurgle vs. High Elf | Underworld vs. Norse |
| LFD vs. AFD: | * Intradivisional Phase Part 2 * |
| Amazon vs. Orc | Round 12 |
| Lizardman vs. Dwarf | AFD: |
| Skaven vs. Norse | Human vs. Norse |
| Slann vs. Human | Dwarf vs. Orc |
| DFD vs. SFD: | CFD: |
| Khemri vs. Goblin | Chaos Pact vs. Chaos |
| Necromantic vs. Underworld | Chaos Dwarf vs. Nurgle |
| Undead vs. Halfling | DFD: |
| Vampire vs. Ogre | Vampire vs. Necromantic |
| Round 5 | Khemri vs. Undead |
| EFD vs. CFD: | EFD: |
| Chaos vs. High Elf | High Elf vs. Wood Elf |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. Elf | Elf vs. Dark Elf |
| Chaos Pact vs. Wood Elf | LFD: |
| Nurgle vs. Dark Elf | Amazon vs. Slann |
| LFD vs. AFD: | Lizardman vs. Skaven |
| Amazon vs. Human | SFD: |
| Lizardman vs. Orc | Underworld vs. Ogre |
| Skaven vs. Dwarf | Goblin vs. Halfling |
| Slann vs. Norse | Round 13 |
| DFD vs. SFD: | AFD: |
| Khemri vs. Ogre | Human vs. Orc |
| Necromantic vs. Goblin | Norse vs. Dwarf |
| Undead vs. Underworld | CFD: |
| Vampire vs. Halfling | Chaos Pact vs. Nurgle |
| Round 6 | Chaos vs. Chaos Dwarf |
| EFD vs. CFD: | DFD: |
| Chaos vs. Dark Elf | Vampire vs. Undead |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. High Elf | Necromantic vs. Khemri |
| Chaos Pact vs. Elf | EFD: |
| Nurgle vs. Wood Elf | High Elf vs. Dark Elf |
| LFD vs. AFD: | Wood Elf vs. Elf |
| Amazon vs. Norse | LFD: |
| Lizardman vs. Human | Amazon vs. Skaven |
| Skaven vs. Orc | Slann vs. Lizardman |
| Slann vs. Dwarf | SFD: |
| DFD vs. SFD: | Underworld vs. Halfling |
| Khemri vs. Halfling | Ogre vs. Goblin |
| Necromantic vs. Ogre | Round 14 |
| Undead vs. Goblin | AFD: |
| Vampire vs. Underworld | Human vs. Dwarf |
| Round 7 | Orc vs. Norse |
| EFD vs. CFD: | CFD: |
| Chaos vs. Wood Elf | Chaos Pact vs. Chaos Dwarf |
| Chaos Dwarf vs. Dark Elf | Nurgle vs. Chaos |
| Chaos Pact vs. High Elf | DFD: |
| Nurgle vs. Elf | Vampire vs. Khemri |
| LFD vs. AFD: | Undead vs. Necromantic |
| Amazon vs. Dwarf | EFD: |
| Lizardman vs. Norse | High Elf vs. Elf |
| Skaven vs. Human | Dark Elf vs. Wood Elf |
| Slann vs. Orc | LFD: |
| DFD vs. SFD: | Amazon vs. Lizardman |
| Khemri vs. Underworld | Skaven vs. Slann |
| Necromantic vs. Halfling | SFD: |
| Undead vs. Ogre | Underworld vs. Goblin |
| Vampire vs. Goblin | Halfling vs. Ogre |
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DrPoods
Joined: Nov 14, 2013
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Oct 24, 2014 - 18:28 |
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Wouldn't CD have an awful time of it in that division? Seems a well structured league. Well done. |
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fredoman
Joined: Jul 22, 2013
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Oct 24, 2014 - 18:30 |
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hmmmmm should be really cool |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 24, 2014 - 18:58 |
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gjopie
Joined: Oct 27, 2009
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Oct 24, 2014 - 19:00 |
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I'd be interested in this if it was a Euro-based [L] setup (I think the only NFL-copying league we have at the moment is based in the US?). I'm not convinced it would work in [R], because you'd have to allow teams to play whoever they wanted so they could take recovery games in between their scheduled matches, making it less competitive. Maybe it would work out, though. |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Oct 24, 2014 - 19:02 |
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| DrPoods wrote: | | Wouldn't CD have an awful time of it in that division? Seems a well structured league. Well done. |
In Options 2 and 3, R teams can have any number of open games between rounds. Any eligible CD team can play a round, not necessarily the one which played the last. |
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xnoelx
Joined: Jun 05, 2012
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Oct 24, 2014 - 19:06 |
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Wait, so any CD team can provide a score for the one CD slot in that division? So the best score by a CD team against each of their scheduled opponent races would count? Rather than each CD team taking part is scored separately?
Seems like that would result in almost every race getting maximum points.
If you are considering a metagroup, rather than basing it in [L], you might want to take a look at how E.L.F.s scoring works. Scheduling rounds just doesn't seem like it would work. |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Oct 24, 2014 - 19:15 |
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| koadah wrote: | | If it is ranked then I think that it would need anti cherrypicking rules. |
In Option #2 there would be 4-6 teams maximum per race, all with decent records. In Option #3 a top25 race1 coach playes vs a top25 race2 coach if TopN=25.
| xnoelx wrote: | | Wait, so any CD team can provide a score for the one CD slot in that division? So the best score by a CD team against each of their scheduled opponent races would count? Rather than each CD team taking part is scored separately? |
No the first one among the eligible teams who playes the missing matchup contributes to the league.
If a matchup is missing of a round, we wait until it is played. It can happen we have to wait some weeks to get a Goblin vs Nurgle happen. However I am thinking of some kind of rewards or dynamic scoring to deal with that. |
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SzieberthAdam
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Oct 24, 2014 - 19:29 |
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| gjopie wrote: | | I'm not convinced it would work in [R], because you'd have to allow teams to play whoever they wanted so they could take recovery games in between their scheduled matches, making it less competitive. |
I believe that does not hurts competition since all teams have this option. All match in R is played upon a mutual agreement of fairness. However, if one coach is not knowing what is fair and the other do is cherrypicking we want to avoid. This is why I want to filter coaches some way to ensure both side knows what he is doing. |
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Dominik
Joined: Oct 29, 2004
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Oct 24, 2014 - 21:03 |
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Sounds interesting. Do you consider nerfing CPOMB, if it is organized in L? |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Oct 24, 2014 - 21:35 |
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Maybe. In nerfing CPOMB I prefer to ban PO completly. Currently L tournament options allow us to nerf PO three ways. By enabling all three it makes no sense to pick that skill. However, maybe is maybe. Since mutating teams are together in one bracket, it is not that bad if PO stays unchanged. |
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