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Elijah



Joined: Feb 16, 2015

Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:32 Reply with quote Back to top

By title, I had a 5+4 roll. Should I take AV or just block? What would you do? The team is fresh. 1000tv finished the first match.
xnoelx



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Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:33 Reply with quote Back to top

Take MA, not AV.

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JimmyFantastic



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Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:33 Reply with quote Back to top

6+4? Take MA f you want but not AV.

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Beerox



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Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:34 Reply with quote Back to top

Take +AV never, that's one of my rules.
Elijah



Joined: Feb 16, 2015

Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:44 Reply with quote Back to top

Thank you for the very quick answers!

Why you think AV is not worthy? Isn't survivability a good thing for such an expensive player, plus, doesn't it assure it will be able to become stronger before being killed?

Also, not taking AV, then, is it worthy to take MA over block or dodge? (since first skill I'll probably would pick block)
JimmyFantastic



Joined: Feb 06, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:53 Reply with quote Back to top

AV is quite pointless except maybe on Skinks. MA is good but the player is suboptimal for too long in a league if you take it first skill. I would take Block.

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Beerox



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Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:55 Reply with quote Back to top

Because if you get +AV, you're begging for your opponent to roll a 9. Kind of weird.

But then he rolls a 10 (every time), and the resultant rage endangers nearby kittens.
Patator



Joined: Jan 05, 2015

Post   Posted: Feb 26, 2015 - 23:56 Reply with quote Back to top

Never refuse a gift from Nuffle. Take +MA a off with the mini maxing ! Very Happy
PainState



Joined: Apr 04, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 00:21 Reply with quote Back to top

JimmyFantastic wrote:
AV is quite pointless except maybe on Skinks.


What da heck?

A skink is fast...his job is to get faster, take the +MA

A AV 9 players job is to hit and get hit...you always take the best odds in the game and take the +AV and boost him to 10.

The AV 8 players...now that is a interesting debate.

I would say linos and guys who get hit a lot take the +AV

Players, like the werewolf take the speed because in the end they should not be getting hit a lot in a match.

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PainState



Joined: Apr 04, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 00:23 Reply with quote Back to top

Elijah wrote:
Thank you for the very quick answers!

Why you think AV is not worthy? Isn't survivability a good thing for such an expensive player, plus, doesn't it assure it will be able to become stronger before being killed?

Also, not taking AV, then, is it worthy to take MA over block or dodge? (since first skill I'll probably would pick block)


My two cents...take the +MA at 6+ and then if your roll a double or another stat upgrade worry about taking block or dodge.

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xnoelx



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Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 00:26 Reply with quote Back to top

The main reason not to take AV is because Claw ignores it. In your league, there is another Necro team and Skaven, and they can both take Claw. If you have promotion/relegation, you could end up playing any of the Chaos teams, who can also take it.

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PainState



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Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 00:28 Reply with quote Back to top

xnoelx wrote:
The main reason not to take AV is because Claw ignores it. In your league, there is another Necro team and Skaven, and they can both take Claw. If you have promotion/relegation, you could end up playing any of the Chaos teams, who can also take it.


Sigh, by this logic this statement is then true.

Do not take dodge because some teams have tackle and render it useless on blocks.

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licker



Joined: Jul 10, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 00:41 Reply with quote Back to top

The real reason to not take AV has nothing to do with claw and everything to do with pixel hugging being a way to continue losing long term when an actual useful skill would help you win more short term.

Or, in most cases, MA.

On an MA8 player already?

I'd say derp, but I'm not supposed to say derp anymore.
awambawamb



Joined: Feb 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 00:51 Reply with quote Back to top

without block, the wolf will eat your rerolls like candies.

take block.

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fidius



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Post   Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 01:03 Reply with quote Back to top

I take +AV on teams that are vulnerable to losing players quickly and thereby auto-losing the match. So basically just Norse and Pro Elf linos, who are then perma-assigned to LOS duty. Bit of a TV sink, but chance of removal on a knockdown goes from 17% to 12% with no skills, 33% to 22% with Mighty Blow.
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