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2017-02-05 00:20:31
9 votes, rating 3.4
9 votes, rating 3.4
The box is the box is the box. My destiny I can't escape...
I love the Box. I hate the box. But mostly I love the box.
Tonight I hate the box. 2 games of 3 was against killer Chaosteams. (Sorry to both coaches for being a dick during the game.) 4 killers on both teams. When I meet these teams I now see 2 ways of dealing with them.
1. conseed straight out. Not a recomendable way to go, but saves me 45 min of agony (and my opponent doesn't need to listen to me whine and moan). I'm not hugging pixels, but the match is just not funny. And as a familyfather time is not something that comes in great measures.
2. The other way is to try and take down the best posible player on the opponent team, and foul with best player. Saves core of my team, and maybe I get to kill off one of these killermonsters.
I know some people just want to see the world burn, so they do it by the killstack. I play the game of football. I play the game where if I can outmaneuver my opponent 11 vs 11 and score I feel good about my achievement. This is in contrast to the killstackers who just want to kill stuff, and maybe win in the process. I have had a long run (couple of weeks) of not meeting these teams, but not today.
Next game will still be in the box, as I'm a weak person who can't help but cherrypick a bit in ranked. The coach or the poorly build team. So to challenge myself I play league where I need to behave ok, and play the season in a way that makes sense. I also play box, as it is easy acess to games.
So should I build a Chaos team? A necro team? To really fight fire with fire, or is this conseeding business the best way to go?
Then you look at my profile and see I have a CD team in the box. You go: But you killstack yourself! That team is only made to defend my lowervalue teams, so they don't get hurt too badly, but this evening a chaos team got under the radar, and killed my 163 humanteam (WeaselTown Villains) with a 163 chaosteam.
I truely hate killstack teams and also a little bit the person that builds them. As I see them destoy my beautiful game. These teams are also the reason why I never join a fumbbl major, as i will need to deal with these teams.
What do you suggest to do so I don't get these hate games?
/rant over.
Tonight I hate the box. 2 games of 3 was against killer Chaosteams. (Sorry to both coaches for being a dick during the game.) 4 killers on both teams. When I meet these teams I now see 2 ways of dealing with them.
1. conseed straight out. Not a recomendable way to go, but saves me 45 min of agony (and my opponent doesn't need to listen to me whine and moan). I'm not hugging pixels, but the match is just not funny. And as a familyfather time is not something that comes in great measures.
2. The other way is to try and take down the best posible player on the opponent team, and foul with best player. Saves core of my team, and maybe I get to kill off one of these killermonsters.
I know some people just want to see the world burn, so they do it by the killstack. I play the game of football. I play the game where if I can outmaneuver my opponent 11 vs 11 and score I feel good about my achievement. This is in contrast to the killstackers who just want to kill stuff, and maybe win in the process. I have had a long run (couple of weeks) of not meeting these teams, but not today.
Next game will still be in the box, as I'm a weak person who can't help but cherrypick a bit in ranked. The coach or the poorly build team. So to challenge myself I play league where I need to behave ok, and play the season in a way that makes sense. I also play box, as it is easy acess to games.
So should I build a Chaos team? A necro team? To really fight fire with fire, or is this conseeding business the best way to go?
Then you look at my profile and see I have a CD team in the box. You go: But you killstack yourself! That team is only made to defend my lowervalue teams, so they don't get hurt too badly, but this evening a chaos team got under the radar, and killed my 163 humanteam (WeaselTown Villains) with a 163 chaosteam.
I truely hate killstack teams and also a little bit the person that builds them. As I see them destoy my beautiful game. These teams are also the reason why I never join a fumbbl major, as i will need to deal with these teams.
What do you suggest to do so I don't get these hate games?
/rant over.
Comments
Posted by thoralf on 2017-02-05 00:22:01
https://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=25152
Posted by SpecialOne on 2017-02-05 00:32:52
Thanks, but this blog comes as a more personal frustration. I don't wnat to delete it, as it will also remind me later on that I have been where I am now.
Posted by Araznaroth on 2017-02-05 01:28:13
maybe https://fumbbl.com/p/group&group=8767&op=view this be more your thing. Seems like fun.
Posted by pythrr on 2017-02-05 01:37:34
seed all mens
Posted by thoralf on 2017-02-05 01:44:17
And then Nuffle created Dirty Player. And Sneaky Git.
There is always Sneaky Git.
There is always Sneaky Git.
Posted by SpecialOne on 2017-02-05 09:23:13
My Black Rose Raiders ARR members of the group allready, and my humans are members of the Human Premier League. :) But thanks.
Posted by easilyamused on 2017-02-05 09:26:10
T1 concessions are a good way to get yourself banned. Just saying.
Suck it up buttercup.
Suck it up buttercup.
Posted by paradocks on 2017-02-05 10:30:00
I guess there are two basic options here, a) dont play in the box, or b) adapt to the competition.
I notice really none of your box teams have benches, hiring some players for these teams might be the easiest way to adapt. Or make some elfy teams that can run around most of the killer teams. Or maybe make some ogres and just learn to have fun.
I notice really none of your box teams have benches, hiring some players for these teams might be the easiest way to adapt. Or make some elfy teams that can run around most of the killer teams. Or maybe make some ogres and just learn to have fun.
Posted by Danish_Dan on 2017-02-05 11:39:36
Hi Steen,
I feel your pain. I've been lucky for a while now, and not had to play these murder teams. But I remember the pain. The feeling that you are completely helpless, as they just kill one member of your team off after another. No thoughts to playing the game, just killing your team.
I don't believe in conceding, I don't think I ever have conceded, but at the same time, giving these guys the satisfaction of killing your team while you sit there and have no fun is kind of bullshit too, and a waste of time. My main tactic, is to keep my box teams low TV. I have a few approaching the limit, but generally I try to stay under 1600TV (seems to be what easilyamused does too). That's where the fun games seem to be, with people playing the ball, and positioning, not just playing the pitch clear game, because they seemingly don't have the skill to do anything else. Just watch out for the arsehole pact min-max marauder murder teams.
Oh, and saying 'just foul them' is bullshit. I don't know who ever thought this was a sufficient strategy, but fouling an AV9 chaos warrior, even with dp, has a terrible chance of doing anything (less than 8% to get him off the pitch) to him as long as he is well protected from assists, and then next turn, jump up, knock down, pile on, dead. Stupid.
I feel your pain. I've been lucky for a while now, and not had to play these murder teams. But I remember the pain. The feeling that you are completely helpless, as they just kill one member of your team off after another. No thoughts to playing the game, just killing your team.
I don't believe in conceding, I don't think I ever have conceded, but at the same time, giving these guys the satisfaction of killing your team while you sit there and have no fun is kind of bullshit too, and a waste of time. My main tactic, is to keep my box teams low TV. I have a few approaching the limit, but generally I try to stay under 1600TV (seems to be what easilyamused does too). That's where the fun games seem to be, with people playing the ball, and positioning, not just playing the pitch clear game, because they seemingly don't have the skill to do anything else. Just watch out for the arsehole pact min-max marauder murder teams.
Oh, and saying 'just foul them' is bullshit. I don't know who ever thought this was a sufficient strategy, but fouling an AV9 chaos warrior, even with dp, has a terrible chance of doing anything (less than 8% to get him off the pitch) to him as long as he is well protected from assists, and then next turn, jump up, knock down, pile on, dead. Stupid.
Posted by easilyamused on 2017-02-05 14:19:08
Nah, my teams are just young and not got up to higher TV yet. I actually don't mind playing ClawPOMB teams. While they are busy hitting yes on PO I'm chuckling that they have once again given up position and running right past them. Pixels can always be replaced and you learn how to counteract different play styles. The coaches that just PO and hope are the ones that are never going to evolve their game, pity them. And laugh when they get frustrated that they failed a pick up because they already burned a RR on a push back trying to get a knock down.
Posted by JellyBelly on 2017-02-05 15:01:11
CPOMB is too powerful, there is no doubt. Too many games over in the first 5-6 turns and too many mediocre coaches winning games without even having to think about tactics/strategy.
I'm looking forward to the new ruleset on FUMBBL - even if simply taking PO out is crude, it will make it a better game.
I'm looking forward to the new ruleset on FUMBBL - even if simply taking PO out is crude, it will make it a better game.
Posted by Cloggy on 2017-02-05 16:30:22
The ONLY way to avoid having to play vs certain teambuilds is to get out of the Box. When you activate your teams you commit yourself to playing the game against whatever you are drawn against.
If you don't love the Box for that very principle, then how can you claim at the top of your rant that you mostly love the Box? Seems to me like you only love it when it gives you the matchups you enjoy most.
Want to play (mostly) the matchups you anjoy? Move to Ranked. Want to play in Box? Take what you get and learn to love it.
Sorry, but it really is that straightforward.
If you don't love the Box for that very principle, then how can you claim at the top of your rant that you mostly love the Box? Seems to me like you only love it when it gives you the matchups you enjoy most.
Want to play (mostly) the matchups you anjoy? Move to Ranked. Want to play in Box? Take what you get and learn to love it.
Sorry, but it really is that straightforward.
Posted by Throweck on 2017-02-05 16:38:46
This does nothing but bad for the box. There are worse teams in Ranked. You see them in tournies all the time.
There is loads of variety in box! But with these kind of blogs it really doesn't help it's cause.
The last page on your matches shows 17 box games. 3 of which had your opponent with a 'killer' chaos team. 3 had your 'killer' chorf team scheduled. That seems pretty fair to me.
The last game...you had a good beating. It happens. I've had games against elves when they have destroyed my team. Man, one of my first games flings pitch cleared my delves!!
I understand though. I gave up recently in an R tourney due to a killer chaos team.
My advice is...keep playing, learn how to contend with it. If it goes south, enjoy the mayhem :)
There is loads of variety in box! But with these kind of blogs it really doesn't help it's cause.
The last page on your matches shows 17 box games. 3 of which had your opponent with a 'killer' chaos team. 3 had your 'killer' chorf team scheduled. That seems pretty fair to me.
The last game...you had a good beating. It happens. I've had games against elves when they have destroyed my team. Man, one of my first games flings pitch cleared my delves!!
I understand though. I gave up recently in an R tourney due to a killer chaos team.
My advice is...keep playing, learn how to contend with it. If it goes south, enjoy the mayhem :)
Posted by Loew on 2017-02-05 18:36:13
High TV Blackbox is CLAWPOMB land... there is no way around it as long as we play with the current ruleset.
you can either try to stay below 1500 or maybe 1600 TV (although there are still teams like smallkosp and the possibility that the scheduler arranges a mismatch because there are too few teams in the draw) or try one of the coping mechanism suggested by the other.
for me it means I play far less Blackbox then I used to
you can either try to stay below 1500 or maybe 1600 TV (although there are still teams like smallkosp and the possibility that the scheduler arranges a mismatch because there are too few teams in the draw) or try one of the coping mechanism suggested by the other.
for me it means I play far less Blackbox then I used to
Posted by JellyBelly on 2017-02-05 19:37:28
I honestly think the new ruleset, when implemented, could be the best thing that's ever happened to the Box.
Posted by Throweck on 2017-02-05 19:38:13
I don't think it was as bad as you think looking at the game.
6 cas caused. Only 2 from a kill stack player. There was only one kill stack player on the team. The other cas were caused by players you would find on any other team.
You were unlucky with the amount of casualties for sure.
6 cas caused. Only 2 from a kill stack player. There was only one kill stack player on the team. The other cas were caused by players you would find on any other team.
You were unlucky with the amount of casualties for sure.
Posted by Throweck on 2017-02-05 19:55:18
@JellyBelly - Revising my previous comment :)
I think it will improve both R and B. It grates on me that the killer teams in R are never mentioned. If anything it's worse as a lot of them have picked their way to that TV.
Alright, you can choose whether to play them or not. But not in tournies.
I think it will improve both R and B. It grates on me that the killer teams in R are never mentioned. If anything it's worse as a lot of them have picked their way to that TV.
Alright, you can choose whether to play them or not. But not in tournies.
Posted by JellyBelly on 2017-02-05 20:18:38
@Throweck: yeah, I agree the killer teams can be a problem in R tourneys too and the change will help both environments. Imo though, CPOMB hurts the Box more, because you can't avoid it, and certain coaches exploit that, activating the same high-TV kill teams game after game. At least in R coaches have a choice as to whether they enter tourneys or not, and rebuilding after a beating is easier.
Posted by ArrestedDevelopment on 2017-02-05 23:01:59
I actually disagree that high tv box is "cpomb land".
Not at the moment unless you exclusively play NA timezone. There's plenty of orcs, elves, vamps and dwarves floating about there too. As well as the odd skaven or human team. Not all high tv chorf or necro teams possess cpomb either. Also there are less coaches who simply monoactivate the one cpomb team at present.
Certainly, the ratio is not as favourable as it would be if you could elect to never play vs Chaos/Nurgle, but it's nowhere near as bad as it could be.
As an addendum, I find it tedious that a lot of people do not acknowledge that low/mid tv mb/pomb spam is just as frustrating/gamebreaking/boring to play against as high tv cpomb spam can be if only one team is built in this manner. The same goes for a pomber continually auto-piling.
Not at the moment unless you exclusively play NA timezone. There's plenty of orcs, elves, vamps and dwarves floating about there too. As well as the odd skaven or human team. Not all high tv chorf or necro teams possess cpomb either. Also there are less coaches who simply monoactivate the one cpomb team at present.
Certainly, the ratio is not as favourable as it would be if you could elect to never play vs Chaos/Nurgle, but it's nowhere near as bad as it could be.
As an addendum, I find it tedious that a lot of people do not acknowledge that low/mid tv mb/pomb spam is just as frustrating/gamebreaking/boring to play against as high tv cpomb spam can be if only one team is built in this manner. The same goes for a pomber continually auto-piling.
Posted by SpecialOne on 2017-02-06 01:43:47
Thankyou for all your replys. Many usefull inputs.
@Cloggy. You seem to live in a very black/white world, you have no gray areas. And that is why you don't get my point in the blog. I love to play the box, but I don't like to waste 45 min just to get hacked to pieces by someone, who apparently doesn't care for the finess of the game. Your loss not mine.
@Throweck. I like your stats breakdown, that it maybe wasn't that bad. The bottom line of 6 cas, and none of them being BH is the real problem, and that can only be put on the dices. The game before that I had a blast with my Underworld vs Slann, and before that my CD's got hammered, but that was 6 BH, so much easier to handle.
And no worries. I will play on, so easilyamused, I will suck it up. I just need to find some sort of copingstrategy when shit hits the fan, or some way to counter it.
The nerf on PO is somewhat a mixed blessing, as teams that don't have claw access, can get a hard time fighting the claw MB teams.
@Cloggy. You seem to live in a very black/white world, you have no gray areas. And that is why you don't get my point in the blog. I love to play the box, but I don't like to waste 45 min just to get hacked to pieces by someone, who apparently doesn't care for the finess of the game. Your loss not mine.
@Throweck. I like your stats breakdown, that it maybe wasn't that bad. The bottom line of 6 cas, and none of them being BH is the real problem, and that can only be put on the dices. The game before that I had a blast with my Underworld vs Slann, and before that my CD's got hammered, but that was 6 BH, so much easier to handle.
And no worries. I will play on, so easilyamused, I will suck it up. I just need to find some sort of copingstrategy when shit hits the fan, or some way to counter it.
The nerf on PO is somewhat a mixed blessing, as teams that don't have claw access, can get a hard time fighting the claw MB teams.
Posted by Verminardo on 2017-02-06 15:33:08
Throweck speaks truth. Beware the biased perception. Practice the Blood Bowl Zen. You may grow as a coach and as a person. ;-) But we've all been there, brother, it's sometimes hard. Hang in there.
Also, first 15 games in the Box, Rookie protection. If you're sick of high TV Box, you can always make a new team and activate it.
As for what to do when you are drawn against one of the usual suspects, the first piece of advice is not to give up straight away. I've had games vs. killstack teams where it just didn't ignite, and I was fielding 11 players 2nd half, with a lead in the back. When it goes downhill, well. You can concede but consider the possible player loss from it. I usually try to protect my key players and/or stay down. Fouling with your best player is an option, another is putting them in the corner of the pitch, allowing just one surf.
Also, first 15 games in the Box, Rookie protection. If you're sick of high TV Box, you can always make a new team and activate it.
As for what to do when you are drawn against one of the usual suspects, the first piece of advice is not to give up straight away. I've had games vs. killstack teams where it just didn't ignite, and I was fielding 11 players 2nd half, with a lead in the back. When it goes downhill, well. You can concede but consider the possible player loss from it. I usually try to protect my key players and/or stay down. Fouling with your best player is an option, another is putting them in the corner of the pitch, allowing just one surf.