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2015

2015-12-06 03:09:37
rating 5.2
2015-05-22 06:19:52
rating 3.3
2015-04-21 05:53:33
rating 2.3

2014

2014-12-20 06:45:46
rating 5.5
2014-12-14 23:32:20
rating 4.4
2014-11-11 09:10:03
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2014-10-29 09:30:39
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2013

2013-07-26 06:48:25
rating 5.2
2013-07-19 08:05:47
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2013-07-12 04:29:48
rating 5.4
2013-07-03 22:41:16
rating 4.4
2013-06-14 09:25:27
rating 3
2013-05-30 11:22:15
rating 2.3
2013-05-02 03:41:45
rating 4.3
2013-04-20 07:36:31
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2013-04-18 09:05:41
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2013-03-05 10:45:08
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2015-05-22 06:19:52
11 votes, rating 3.3
Why do I even bother....
....Playing Norse?

Their long term potential is something to be desired....

One of my favorite races because I do think the team is well designed and has lots of 'flavor', but I know they become increasingly frustrating as TV goes up and everybody else starts catching up on Block. They very well may just be the personification of the diminishing returns premise.

Knowing all this I will still give them another go, so Cheers! to that. See how long I can go until the abuse is too much, and remind myself that they are a real challenge team in perpetual format.

Note to self: Don't do Yhetti when you decide to give Norse another go a year from now.

Skol! For Valhalla!
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Posted by ahalfling on 2015-05-22 08:01:18
I don't see it that way at all. 5x Frenzy gives you unmatched ability to play a positional game against anyone without SF/SS. Man for man, your guys match up well with anyone, and frenzy can keep the opposition from massing up in the middle. Your linemen are 50k, and aside from +stat guys and a utility kicker, you never have to skill one of them. Provided you manage your TV well, by the time your opponents get block, you'll have multiple star players.

(Admittedly, I refuse to manage my TV even sort of well.)
Posted by Jeffro on 2015-05-22 09:57:06
Norse is fun times at high TV. Glasses are meant to be broken.
Posted by the_Sage on 2015-05-22 09:59:24
You could just decide to aim for TV 1500 with them
Posted by Verminardo on 2015-05-22 10:00:08
I totally get this. Norse were my first League team back in LRB4 and I still have a soft spot for them. But they aren't even that good at low TV, they're not bad but there are sill a couple of teams they will struggle against (Undead, Orcs, Zons, Dorfs, Lizards) and it only gets worse as TV increases. Their Majors performance is abysmal, even Humans do better. The only time I had a good record with Norse was when I was min-maxing in the Box. And still, and still, I've started another Norse team in Ranked...
Posted by paradocks on 2015-05-22 12:41:25
Why do I even bother... getting out of bed in the morning
Posted by MattDakka on 2015-05-22 13:53:33
"One of my favorite races because I do think the team is well designed and has lots of 'flavor' "
Flavor? Yes, but well designed?
The Thrower is useless and the Catchers have no catch!
If for you that is good design... :D
Posted by Kam on 2015-05-22 14:20:30
"The Thrower is useless and the Catchers have no catch!"

That may be because there is no Norse Catcher. ;)
Posted by MattDakka on 2015-05-22 14:37:45
If you read CRP, you will see the Norse roster featuring:

0-16 Linemen
0-2 Throwers
0-2 Catchers
0-2 Blitzers
0-2 Norse Werewolves
0-1 Yhetee

Runners is an outdated name for CRP Catchers. ;)

Posted by Kam on 2015-05-22 15:01:03
Oh damn, you're right. Good call - why would they rename the runners "catchers"? ><
Posted by huff on 2015-05-22 15:02:04
By great design I mean: even though they don't perform well as they progress, I don't look at the roster and say, "this needs to be changed," or "they need a buff," like serveral other lower performing races where that can easily be said.

They are what they are, and I don't think keeping them at 1500TV range, only to get 500 in inducements down the line is going to work.
Posted by huff on 2015-05-22 15:06:40
'Official' Position names are all messed up, don't pay much attention to that. If we do we lose 'Longbeards' and 'Storm Vermin'.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-05-22 15:07:47
Norse well designed? The 2 cookie cutter races are most certainly the least well designed of all the rosters. An idea that didn't last long.
Posted by huff on 2015-05-22 15:10:40
@Sage: One does not simply keep a team at a certain TV and expect to only go against other teams with a similar TV. Not in the matchmaker format (Blackbox) at least.
Posted by pubstar on 2015-05-22 15:57:40
@harvestmouse: Calling Norse 'cookie cutter' seems silly in CRP. They've got a clear 'thing' (frenzy), they have a weirdo big guy that no one else has, they have the shortest path to a Jump Up POMBer, and they have 7 different positions.

They perform the way I imagine they were intended to perform: glass cannons.

How are they in any way a cookie cutter team? I assume your comment refers to the old Amazon/Norse rosters, but we're a long way from that now.
Posted by Cavetroll on 2015-05-22 16:54:51
The biggest problem I've experienced with norse is the 'glass cannon' aspect that others have alluded to. Frenzy is a nice tool, but at the end of the day this is a bash team that can easily get beaten at its own game. The worst is when they get outbashed by a non-bash team. Still, when norse teams perform the way they were designed to they are a lot of fun. Another problem I see with them is that they really need to receive in the 1st half. They aren't a good defensive team and they rarely survive the opening drive on defense even against less bashy teams. Except for stunty teams and two high AV/heavy bash teams meeting up, most teams are going to kick first if they win the toss.
Posted by pythrr on 2015-05-22 17:28:48
long term norse are about the team, not the players

they are fragile and yearn to die, to enter valhalla!

the win is the thing; death is no to be feared, but to be eagerly sought

glory is the best thing a man can win in life

Posted by Cavetroll on 2015-05-22 18:13:24
I don't disagree, pythrr. That is probably how norse should be viewed/played. But are there any long-lived norse teams out there (100+ games) that actually have a winning record?
Posted by ahalfling on 2015-05-22 19:08:04
68 here. And not WAY above .500. But in Box, so that has to count for something? http://fumbbl.com/p/team?team_id=721470

As for bashing, I have no worries there. 1 armor is 1 armor... their only weakness is that a couple times a game the opponent will roll _exactly_ 8. Let them do it... it happens. Sometimes it doesn't happen.

And if you're facing claw, the opposition has wasted those skill choices.

In my experience, the only teams that can consistently outbash the Norse by a significant margin are orcs and dwarves. They haven't wasted skill choices on claw. The dwarves have just as much block plus guard, the orcs have more strength and a fair amount of block. And their armor is a LOT better. But everyone else...? Barring bad luck, it's generally not going to be worse than something like 3-4 Norse casualties to 2-3 opposition ones. And given how well man-to-man situations suit the Norse, that can be lived with.
Posted by MattDakka on 2015-05-22 19:19:39
Khemri are a bad match-up for Norse as well.
Posted by ahalfling on 2015-05-22 19:43:47
A funny coincidence... I just got a Norse team retired by Khemri.

https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&id=3685990

I do in fact have a losing record in Norse games against Khemri, though we're talking about a small sample size.
Posted by m0gw41 on 2015-05-22 19:52:22
I was having lot of fun with Norse up until game 15 in the box, at that point we reached the 1600 TV mark and we've been bashed to pieces ever since, playing up in TV literally every game against other bash teams (at an average of 100TV per game) leaving the team with 9 dead and 7 perms in 9 games including most of our decent positionals.

After this short experiment I think the only way Norse can survive in the box is to play like Ryld's minmax brand of SCUMM :)
Posted by huff on 2015-05-22 19:58:38
https://fumbbl.com/p/team?team_id=693255

One of my first teams on Fumbbl, they were went over 100 games and had a winning record.

Retired due to losing key players, money issues ect.

Khemri are indeed a tuff matchup, and it's up to the Runners and their Dauntless to pull through.

Disagree that they are 'cookie cutter' although admittedly, I'm not quite sure what that even means.
Posted by Cavetroll on 2015-05-22 20:26:02
I think someone mentioned this, but Undead can also be a tough matchup for Norse too. And even with Claw being wasted, a well built high TV Chaos/Nurgle team is going to give a Norse team problems too. Claw isn't completely wasted on Norse, as the Ulfs and the Snow Troll have AV8.
Posted by ahalfling on 2015-05-22 21:33:54
Can't agree on undead. Norse have enough ST4+/dauntless guys to put the mummies down pretty consistently, and because they're not a team that ties up in the middle, zombies' immobility is a huge issue. Wights can hurt, but how are they different from most other teams' blitzers? Which leaves the ghouls, and there are few players more dangerous to a ghoul than a skilled-up berserker/ulf.

Not saying undead are hopeless against Norse. They are one of the few teams that still tends to use dirty player as a weapon, and that does hurt Norse more than a lot of teams. And if you try to meet in the middle and make a scrum out of it, undead will beat you. But I like their strengths more than their weaknesses in that matchup. Then again, I imagine I underestimate undead in general.
Posted by Wizfall on 2015-05-23 13:23:59
While a tier 1 team at rookie TV, their edge fade extremely quickly (1100 TV IMO) and became more and more unbalanced in a bad way above the 1400/1500 TV zone.

I had a great time but stopped playing them because even if i played in their balanced zone and having a good record (for my standard) the probability to get one-sided game is much higher than with most other races.

Nothing worse than playing a second half (and sometimes even more) with little things to do on the pitch because of lack of players and bad match-up (and there are lot of bad match-up for Norse IMHO, i especially dislike lizards hehe).