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Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 05:22 Reply with quote Back to top

" All this is saying is that even if you have AV 0f 12+, with claw the AV will be an 8+."

This is WRONG. That is what it meant with BB2016. That is NOT what 'before modifiers' means.

Player with claw and mighty blow in bb2020:

AV 9+
Roll natural 8
-check 1: Did you roll an 8+ before modifiers? (Claw)
-answer 1: Yes, 8 is 8 or higher, therefore you break armor

AV 9+
Roll natural 7
-check 1: Did you roll an 8+ before modifiers? (Claw)
-answer 1: No, 7 is not 8 or higher, therefore you do not break armor
-check 2: Did you roll what is needed to break this players armor, which is 9+? (Normal armor break rule)
-answer 2: No, 7 is not 9 or higher, therefore you do not break armor
-check 3: If you modify your armor roll using the mighty blow skill (which will make the result of check 3 ineligible to follow the claw rule), do you roll what is needed to break this players armor, which is 9+? (Mighty blow)
-answer 3: No, 7+1 = 8, which is not 9 or higher, therefore you do not break armor

Therefore, after checking all applicable rules, you have not broken armor, when you rolled an 8 against an AV 9+ player, even though you had Claw and Mighty Blow.
Kondor



Joined: Apr 04, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 05:43 Reply with quote Back to top

Why is this "Wrong?" You are using BB2016 interpretations rather than a plain reading of the rule. If I come in as a new player having never seen BB2016, the old rules have no bearing on what I am reading. BB2016 is dead long live BB2020.

Claw rule says a roll of 8+ breaks armor before other modifiers.

Mighty Blow rule says I can change the armor roll or the injury roll.

Thus, I can change my roll of a 7 to an 8 and armour is broken.

The rules need to be interpreted as they are written not based on how it used to be in previous editions.

To me, this is not even a gray area. It is very, very clear.
Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 06:18 Reply with quote Back to top

'before other modifiers' 'i can change my roll'

those two statements are contradictory. changing it means you have modified it. the result is no longer 'before' modifiers.

please, look at my previous post. i am ignoring everything from 2016 when i write that. explain to me where the logic in that post is wrong.
ClayInfinity



Joined: Aug 15, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 06:21 Reply with quote Back to top

I know the internet is full of stuff on Claw Nerf, but I do tend to agree with Kondor. I think its again a very poorly worded rule by GW. Has it been errated/clarified? It should be...
tussock



Joined: May 29, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 08:05 Reply with quote Back to top

Best BB20 thread yet.

Claws: "[...], a roll of 8+ before applying any modifiers will break their armour."

dude: Modifies dice, says, "my roll is 8 after I applied modifiers!"

Claws: "8+ before applying any modifiers"

dude: come on, you know I'm right, it's super clear! Stop the steal!

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Christer



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 09:26
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The claw skill applies to a natural roll of 8+, which does not consider any other factors (primarily armour stat and other skills that affect the dice roll such as mighty blow).

I'm going to assume this is trolling at this point and lock the thread.
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