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Who is the worst positional in the game?
Amazon - Python Warrior Thrower
2%
 2%  [ 4 ]
Chaos Renegade - Renegade Skaven
2%
 2%  [ 4 ]
Chaos Renegade - Renegade Thrower
15%
 15%  [ 22 ]
Dark Elf - Assassin
16%
 16%  [ 23 ]
Dwarf - Troll Slayer
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
High Elf - Thrower
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Imperial - Imperial Throwers
13%
 13%  [ 19 ]
Lizardmen - Chameleon Skink
5%
 5%  [ 8 ]
OWA - Old World Human Thrower
3%
 3%  [ 5 ]
OWA - Old World Dwarf Blockers
25%
 25%  [ 36 ]
Wood Elf - Thrower
2%
 2%  [ 3 ]
Orc - Thrower
11%
 11%  [ 17 ]
Total Votes : 142


Garion26



Joined: Nov 28, 2021

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2023 - 18:21 Reply with quote Back to top

Garion wrote:
Nelphine wrote:
Boo I like the berserker


yeah me too


Me as well. Norse linemen are so cost efficient having a slightly less cost efficient positional is fine.

Same with Valkyries who add a lot of flexibility to that team and are now my favorite part of that team.
kozak



Joined: Feb 25, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2023 - 21:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Garion wrote:
Yeah. The addition of the Thrower is great. Sadly, giving them Animosity is just dumb.


If at least he had sure hands, I wouldn't care for animosity, but he doesn't even have such a core skill.
Irgy



Joined: Feb 21, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 07:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Oh yeah I forgot the OWA dwarf blockers don't even have block... want to change my vote to them now.

Most of the other positionals on the list I like. People are welcome to not use them, and it might even be optimal not to, but a lot of them at least give different ways to play the team which is a good thing.

Plus I'm reluctant to hate too much on the throwers just because passing is universally terrible in this ruleset. It's not their fault! One day they'll be valuable players again!
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 14:31 Reply with quote Back to top

OWA Dwarf Blockers should be renamed OWA Dwarf Brawlers. Blocker is misleading.
Garion26



Joined: Nov 28, 2021

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 15:04 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
OWA Dwarf Blockers should be renamed OWA Dwarf Brawlers. Blocker is misleading.

Aren't the strength 4 pieces usually called Blockers without actually starting with Block ? Smile
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 15:20 Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, but they have ST 4, at least. OWA Dwarfs have just ST 3.
A ST 4 player doesn't fail blocks 1/6, but 1/9.
Assuming defender's ST 3, of course, which is the most common ST value.
Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 15:37 Reply with quote Back to top

Garion26 wrote:
MattDakka wrote:
OWA Dwarf Blockers should be renamed OWA Dwarf Brawlers. Blocker is misleading.

Aren't the strength 4 pieces usually called Blockers without actually starting with Block ? Smile


Yeah Blocker doesn't mean Block. It's a get in the way player.

Strange that pieces seems to get used more these days rather than players

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 15:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Then all Big Guys, who act as roadblocks, should be called Blockers.
Also, Catchers have Catch and are called Catchers.
Naming players after their skills seems logical to me.
JackassRampant



Joined: Feb 26, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 15:58 Reply with quote Back to top

To me, a Blocker has or can easily get the Block skill. Frequently they start without it, but you'll notice that apart from OWA, most non-Block Blockers have ST4, and "Thou Shalt Not Start With ST4 And Block" has been written from on high a long time ago.

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 15:59 Reply with quote Back to top

So, even a Human or Orc Lineman is a Blocker, by that logic.
Also, if a normal Dwarf is called Blocker and has Block, naming an OWA Dwarf Brawler would help to make clear that they are different.
Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 16:06 Reply with quote Back to top

They're named after American football position roles. Big guys are multi functional although the best ones do indeed function as Blockers.

That said the owa Blocker essentially has the job of a lineman...

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 16:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Even OWA Dwarf Lineman would sound better to me than Blocker, and would make him different from normal Dwarf Blocker Lineman.
I'm not American Football expert but I guess they should be called Linebackers, not Blockers. I might be wrong, though. American Football experts will surely know it.

For BB I would use this naming:

- Linemen: players without Block, with average (or close to team's average) MA and AG;
- Brawlers: players with Brawler;
- Blockers: players with Block/Wrestle (although Wrestlers could be better) and average or lower than average MA;
- Bruisers: ST 4 players;
- Throwers: players with Pass or some passing-related skill;
- Runners: players with higher than average MA, with or without some ball-related skill (such as Sure Hands).
- Catchers: players with Catch;
- Big Guys/Roadblocks: ST 5 or higher players;
- Blitzers: players with either Block/Wrestle and higher than average MA.
- Players with Frenzy: Berserkers or Maulers (or a name fitting the fluff, if possible, like Troll Slayers and Witch Elves);


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Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 16:13 Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah Lineman would've been better

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razmus



Joined: Jun 23, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 16:42 Reply with quote Back to top

Oooh! Naming players by the skills they have. I have a few more!

Numbskulls: Players with Bonehead.
Droolers: Players with Really Stupid.
Divas: Blodgers

Of course, when the players spend > 50% of their waking hours drunk, all naming conventions go right out the window. (C.f.,Old Norse Catchers.)

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koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 17:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Garion wrote:

Strange that pieces seems to get used more these days rather than players


I guess that those people are just trying to piss me off. Mr. Green

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