Ohwatch
Joined: Sep 14, 2014
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Feb 12, 2021 - 03:13 |
 
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There is a matter to avoid "cherry picker" with new rules?
And "module" to see more interesting stats? (Like number of victory/draw/defeat between 2 players for exemple) |
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sebco
Joined: Feb 14, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 11:49 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2021 - 12:04 |
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| Ohwatch wrote: | | There is a matter to avoid "cherry picker" with new rules? |
If you join the Trophy yes, because the Trophy games will be arranged only by the automatic scheduler.
If you don't join the Trophy you can't, because Ranked and Black Box will be merged into Competitive division where you can find games with both gamefinder and scheduler. |
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Joost
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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Feb 12, 2021 - 12:49 |
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thanks for the tip. Can you tell me where to find coach ID? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 14:03 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | Ohwatch wrote: | | There is a matter to avoid "cherry picker" with new rules? |
If you join the Trophy yes, because the Trophy games will be arranged only by the automatic scheduler.
If you don't join the Trophy you can't, because Ranked and Black Box will be merged into Competitive division where you can find games with both gamefinder and scheduler. |
Is that really true? Are you saying that Trophy matches are only vs pure scheduler teams?
That would reduce the number of matchups available. I wouldn't expect the site to do that. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:07 |
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Christer wrote it in his blog:
https://fumbbl.com/p/blog?c=Christer&id=23178
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- All existing teams get put into the competitive division, in the re-drafting state as mentioned above. Call it [C] if you wish.
- Box teams are marked with a flag designating they're "hardcore", or something to that effect. Name is subject to change.
- The Blackbox scheduler is moved to run in this new competitive division.
- Hardcore teams can not use the game finder system, and can only be scheduled through the Blackbox scheduler.
- Normal teams can use both game finder and the blackbox scheduler.
- New teams created can choose either normal or hardcore mode.
- The Blackbox Trophy will only allow hardcore teams to participate.
- Blackbox Trophy teams must, at least initially, be newly started. This could change once we have more experience with seasons and re-drafting. Perhaps later trophies could allow re-drafted teams too.
- Blackbox Trophy teams will not be able to re-draft during the trophy run, but will be forced to re-draft after completing their trophy games.
- A hardcore team not part of the Blackbox Trophy can choose to switch to a normal team should they choose to do so.
- There is no way to switch a normal team to a hardcore one."
So, the Blackbox Trophy will only allow hardcore teams to participate. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:26 |
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Sure. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about Trophy teams being only able to play against hardcore teams.
So, in this context, a Trophy team could still end up playing against a cherrypicker team that only activates in the Box when it is in peak condition.
A "match vs hardcore teams only" flag would sort it.
If there is a "Match vs Hardcore Only" flag, that would do the trick. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:31 |
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"Hardcore teams can not use the game finder system, and can only be scheduled through the Blackbox scheduler."
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"The Blackbox Trophy will only allow hardcore teams to participate."
therefore Black Box Trophy teams are hardcore teams and hardcore teams can use only the scheduler, so Black Box Trophy teams can use only the scheduler.
If you are a cherrypicker activating in the scheduler then you are not using a hardcore (scheduler only team) therefore you will never be matched with a Trophy team, because Trophy teams can be matched only vs other hardcore teams.
A Trophy hardcore team can be matched only vs another hardcore team, which can be either another hardcore Trophy team or a hardcore team not participating to the Trophy. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:35 |
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Question for Christer/Admins really.
Do they go into "re-drafting state" even if they have not yet played 15 games?
Can you just move your team out of "re-drafting state"? e.g. if they have played fewer than 15 games.
Also for the league division. If you move your team to a league that allows more games (or has no seasons), can you leave "re-draft state"? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:43 |
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| MattDakka wrote: |
If you are a cherrypicker activating in the scheduler then you are not using a hardcore (scheduler only team) therefore you will never be matched with a Trophy team, because Trophy teams can be matched vs other hardcore teams).
It's simple logic. |
That is NOT "logic". That is stating a rule.
I have not seen that rule stated by anyone but you.
So, I am asking whether it is true. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:48 |
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A Trophy team is a hardcore team and hardcore teams play ONLY vs other hardcore teams participating or not participating to the Trophy.
A Trophy (therefore hardcore) team can't be drawn against a non-hardcore team because the characteristic of hardcore teams is NEVER EVER using the gamefinder, ALWAYS the scheduler.
I quoted Christer's words, not my own opinion. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:51 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2021 - 15:52 |
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"- Hardcore teams can not use the game finder system, and can only be scheduled through the Blackbox scheduler."
"The Blackbox Trophy will only allow hardcore teams to participate." |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2021 - 16:13 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | "- Hardcore teams can not use the game finder system, and can only be scheduled through the Blackbox scheduler."
"The Blackbox Trophy will only allow hardcore teams to participate." |
Those two statements taken together, still do not assert that hardcore teams cannot play vs non-hardcore teams.
This has been discussed before. Then, people suggested having a "hardcore only" flag to indicate that teams did not want to play vs non-hardcore teams.
Doing ths would reduce the number of matchups that could be made. So, worse matchups all around.
Only the results of hardcore teams will count towards the Trophy. But I don't see whare it say that they can only play vs other hardcore teamms |
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Gritter
Joined: Jun 29, 2006
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Feb 12, 2021 - 17:07 |
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I believe Jack Black already put this rules query to bed.
You're not hardcore (No, you're not hardcore)
Unless you live hardcore (Unless you live hardcore)
But the legend of the rent was way hardcore! |
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