policeshades
Joined: Oct 31, 2017
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May 19, 2021 - 09:37 |
 
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| tussock wrote: | Gotta be "at the start of any of the opposition's team turns" does not mean "during their team turn".
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That's the language I was looking for. Thank you. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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May 19, 2021 - 09:58 |
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What does it matter what it should be ? It is clearly written that it causes a turnover if its used at the start of opponents turn. Totally intentional like all GW written rules. |
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Naama
Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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May 19, 2021 - 10:43 |
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"At the start of the opposing teams turn" means that the turn has started. Otherwise it would be "before the..." because we already know there happens stuff in between turns (Blitz catch f.ex).
There's some vague stuff in the rules but this one is very clear in my opinion when you go through it.
Whatever the intention is doesn't matter as we should not be guessing how to play the new ruleset and pick and choose what we prefer.
Most likely someone didn't think enough about the implications when changing a few words. And there i went guessing 
Surely it will get addressed in the next errata. |
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Xandyreoch
Joined: Jun 21, 2020
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May 19, 2021 - 11:15 |
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i think that it's just poor phrasing for between turns, and agree with tussock ;P |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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May 19, 2021 - 12:21 |
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Jopotzuki
Joined: Oct 07, 2011
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May 19, 2021 - 12:34 |
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| koadah wrote: | Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see "turnover" mentioned in the wizard rules.
So, I will happily (mis)interpret this to mean no turnover.
Or are we saying that a fireball causes a turnover and zap doesn't?
If I'm wrong, well, I don't really care.  |
Fireball -> knocked down player.
Knocked down player=turnover.
Zap just turns your player into a frog. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 19, 2021 - 13:09 |
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A Knocked Down player on the moving team is not a turnover unless he was carrying the ball. |
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Willownen
Joined: Aug 26, 2018
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May 19, 2021 - 13:18 |
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Is all of this really because some here feel like this does NOT require some clarification in the form of FAQ? The rulebook, mainly pages 23, 42 and 94, if taken as RAW, read that if you successfully use the Wizard to knock an opposing player down, it's an instant turnover. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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May 19, 2021 - 13:21 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | A Knocked Down player on the moving team is not a turnover unless he was carrying the ball. |
Was this in your "special rules" ? |
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BlockBadger
Joined: Jan 21, 2021
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May 19, 2021 - 13:22 |
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| policeshades wrote: | | 4+ gain an extra turn and scatter the ball (plus maybe a removal). Definitely too powerful but best wait for an FAQ. Personally I will refuse to play with an opponent who interprets it as written and concede if they insist but that's me. |
If they are being super unsportsmanlike and taking it at pure RAW remember it’s your go so you don’t have to wait for them to use the wizard, activate a player as soon as it’s your go, they can’t stop you and there is no penalty for doing so before moving the turn marker.
It’s quite different to the RR issue, which I’ve noticed has changed very little other then open up meme builds with more than 3 RR. Paying 150k to remove a turn is broken, and combining that with the most powerful inducement from 2016 is kind of funny TBF XD |
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BlockBadger
Joined: Jan 21, 2021
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May 19, 2021 - 13:28 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | A Knocked Down player on the moving team is not a turnover unless he was carrying the ball. |
Yeah... no
Page 23 under Turnover, on a list of what counts as a Turnover “If a player on the active team is Knocked Down during their team turn.†|
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policeshades
Joined: Oct 31, 2017
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May 19, 2021 - 14:31 |
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| BlockBadger wrote: |
If they are being super unsportsmanlike and taking it at pure RAW remember it’s your go so you don’t have to wait for them to use the wizard, activate a player as soon as it’s your go, they can’t stop you and there is no penalty for doing so before moving the turn marker.
It’s quite different to the RR issue, which I’ve noticed has changed very little other then open up meme builds with more than 3 RR. Paying 150k to remove a turn is broken, and combining that with the most powerful inducement from 2016 is kind of funny TBF XD |
Definitely works for tabletop. They would have to say, "That's the end of my turn and I am now using my wizard," to stop you doing it. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 19, 2021 - 14:52 |
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| BlockBadger wrote: | | MattDakka wrote: | | A Knocked Down player on the moving team is not a turnover unless he was carrying the ball. |
Yeah... no
Page 23 under Turnover, on a list of what counts as a Turnover “If a player on the active team is Knocked Down during their team turn.†|
So, they changed it, nice to know, thanks! |
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Jopotzuki
Joined: Oct 07, 2011
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May 19, 2021 - 15:17 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | A Knocked Down player on the moving team is not a turnover unless he was carrying the ball. |
Double skulls has been a turnover for as long as I have played.  |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 19, 2021 - 15:30 |
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Yes, but Double Skull is not the only way to Knock Down a player. |
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