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Fortis

Joined: Mar 19, 2009

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 07:23

Cool, just figured it was worth raising again as we've got a few notable parks coming up for this season with Daudy and Barre parking their long term legend legacy teams. I'd like to see them stored and able to come back if necessary and I think it will make drafting decisions a lot easier for good players in the future.

I do understand the additional administrative requirement however and would suggest that maybe a limit on parking. Perhaps only for teams that have played 5 seasons, or teams that have made it to Prem or both, maybe something along those lines

Fortis

Joined: Mar 19, 2009

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 07:30

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So what if Irgy and I park? That caps darkies at 1?
What if GNW then wants to come back?
What if OB wants to come back? Does he get to legacy Mort Volente? That would make 2 Chaos spots... Would we then have a playoff match between BeeRTrucK and DrPoods, loser leaves town?

I'd suggest the low admin impact way of doing it is just let people unpark even if there isn't a slot. Now that we're above 32 it has much less impact than when we were below. Don't hold a slot for legacies, give it away and allow returning legacies go over the threshold. It really doesn't function any different to people parking and giving up for a few seasons to go do other things and it might be better for player retention if we're seeing burnout in the 5+ season veteran teams.

danielcollins

Joined: Apr 04, 2005

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 07:48

The parking system isn't changing to allow coaches to park a team, then start a new team, then bring back their old parked team.

All admins are in agreement about this, after carefully considering the positives and negatives. I won't be discussing it any further on this forum.

So it isn't going to change any time soon and posting about it is a waste of time. Waste your time if you must.....

tribalsinner

Joined: Feb 21, 2006

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 08:16

If we are going to waste time then I have this idea about the timeout button.... Hehe just kidding.

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Balle2000

Joined: Sep 25, 2008

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 09:24

I like to waste my time if it's for a good cause Wink

The idea being that SWL does not profit from losing veteran teams, and that "team parking" reduces coach fatigue by letting us try something new.

So here's a suggested framework that lets an SWL coach start a new team without trashing his old team for all eternity:

Possible rule: The team loses all cash and re-rolls due to loss of revenues and lack of practice.

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Grod

Joined: Sep 30, 2003

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 09:33

When starteth new season?

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DaemonicLazoth

Joined: Jul 18, 2004

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 10:10

I would to like possibly add in teams that have reached prem as well. I would say this as my zon team Daughters of the Song have reached prem but they have only did so with less then 30 games played.

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Tyra_Nid

Joined: Mar 17, 2009

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 10:33

Balle2000 wrote:

I like to waste my time if it's for a good cause Wink

The idea being that SWL does not profit from losing veteran teams, and that "team parking" reduces coach fatigue by letting us try something new.

So here's a suggested framework that lets an SWL coach start a new team without trashing his old team for all eternity:

Possible rule: The team loses all cash and re-rolls due to loss of revenues and lack of practice.

I agree with all of this.

But sounds like it's not being entertained at all.

DrDiscoStu

Joined: Feb 20, 2006

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 11:05

All I will say is that I don't like it, but IF it was allowed the racial restriction should not count the parked team, meaning if you want your legacy side back & there is already 3 of your race "too bad, you will have to wait" and then you redraft as per normal. And parked sides come back through the reggies.

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Semitence

Joined: May 18, 2013

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 13:26

I'm a big fan of this idea as well. Is it at least worth doing a bit of a for/against amongst the players to see if the idea has a lot of support? As communicated to the admins earlier via PM I would love to have a couple of seasons of something a little bushier than Dark Elves, but it doesn't seem to encourage team longevity and creating a legend if the Darkstar Corsairs need to be retired then I need to create another new elf team entirely after a few seasons of something else.

Tomay was pretty clear on his reasons and thanks for communicating them, even if the admins weren't willing to discuss it, however I still feel it warrants discussion if there is support amongst the players.

Semitence

Joined: May 18, 2013

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 13:29

Also I don't feel parked teams should get priority in coming back.

danielcollins

Joined: Apr 04, 2005

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 14:10

Semitence wrote:

Tomay was pretty clear on his reasons and thanks for communicating them, even if the admins weren't willing to discuss it, however I still feel it warrants discussion if there is support amongst the players.

We have discussed it at great length. Very recently.

polemarch

Joined: Mar 20, 2009

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 15:13

SWL is not a democracy and with 55 seasons behind it there is a strong element of don't fix something which isn't broken.

Where else are you going to be able to develop a team over multiple seasons and unlimited games? Whilst I understand and to a certain extent agree with the sentiment of being able to park and bring back a legend team, I also think that one of the questions that everyone needs to ask is what are they playing for objective-wise? Is it to take a team and see where it goes, is it to build a team to win Prem or is it to churn something every 4-5 seasons? The issue with being able to park it makes it a little bit about having your cake and eating it too!! Which i don't think you should be able to do.

However my comments for the Admins. This is the second time in the last 3 seasons (?) that this discussion has come up again. I think it needs to wait another season or 2, but if more people start feeling this way, it might be worth a limited trial.

Fortis

Joined: Mar 19, 2009

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 16:30

Being able to play in the league the way you feel like playing in it seems to be the most delicious kind of having your cake and eating it too.

I just don't see the benefit in making players feel like they are locked into a team instead of being able to mix it up every few seasons to keep it fresh. But meh, whatever, I can just go play ranked for that I guess

Foad

Joined: Sep 02, 2007

Posted: Aug 05, 2014 - 16:55

I'm torn on this... I would totally be behind this, but I fear I wouldn't have the buy-in I have with my darkies if I knew I could just come back to them... I'd play them in a different way, and I don't know if that a good thing...

I think it would be a good idea insofar as I don't see a real down side for it and it works for other leagues (like TT leagues), but at the same time if it's been discussed by the smartest guys in the room, then I'm happy for a decision to be made and owned.

That said I can just imagine the discussion as it happened...

Tomay kicks in the door and seems and barges into the small smoke filled room.
"What's all this jibbajabba about a legacy team rule?". the baby oil glistening from his manly body as it slowly drips down onto his loincloth.
"I like it, I think we should go with it" comes a voice from the back of the table from behind a green translucent dealers visor and 70's sunglasses. "Unless it's Chavo's idea, it's not Chavo's idea is it?"
Sitting down the buff gladiator nods mutely, still curious at the concept of someone wanting to play a team for more than 5 seasons...
"Well screw it then, it's not happening" DC adds."I fear that man's beauty far too much"
Tomay glances around the room at the other figures in the cabal, "What say you Bobs?" he asks of the figure wearing nothing but studded black leather straps adorned by a headman's mask.
"It doesn't actually provide more heads for my axe, so I don't care" he replies edging his massive blade furtively with a whetstone.
"Luo?"
A mumbled voice is vaguely heard from the locked chest in the side of the room.
At last Tomay turns to Barre for the final opinion...
Sitting in the corner, Barre grins maniacally, pounding beetles with a bloodied rock in his hand he gives his reply... "Khuu, khuu, khuu..."

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