Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Dec 14, 2007 - 19:24 |
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It helps when the roster doesn't have a MA 10 guy on it like it used to
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Macavity
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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Dec 14, 2007 - 19:37 |
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So, if I read your implication correctly, MY opinion doesn't matter because I'm not a "well-known" stunty coach, like Synn, or Shdow, or others, but the fact that they aren't interested in play-testing YOUR race suggestion doesn't matter either, because...... it's yours?
If you have been play-testing a lot, let us in on things you've noticed. How did they match up? Did the Bray take Guard? Did you find that the opponent commited their DT players to the Guard? Did they do better against certain races? Did you find that you went for a lot of one player blocks due to the increased number of ST 3+ players. Did you find you really avoided other team's BGs?
In short. IF you have been play-testing, should it not have resulted in....... something? Either propsed changes, or evidence for or against our concerns? That is the purpose, no? |
_________________ When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. -C.S. Lewis |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Dec 15, 2007 - 02:30 |
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Macavity wrote: | So, if I read your implication correctly, MY opinion doesn't matter because I'm not a "well-known" stunty coach, like Synn, or Shdow, or others, but the fact that they aren't interested in play-testing YOUR race suggestion doesn't matter either, because...... it's yours?
If you have been play-testing a lot, let us in on things you've noticed. How did they match up? Did the Bray take Guard? Did you find that the opponent commited their DT players to the Guard? Did they do better against certain races? Did you find that you went for a lot of one player blocks due to the increased number of ST 3+ players. Did you find you really avoided other team's BGs?
In short. IF you have been play-testing, should it not have resulted in....... something? Either propsed changes, or evidence for or against our concerns? That is the purpose, no? |
No that was not my implication in any way. No need to try to pick a fight when it's not there. You asked if it had been tested against various races and coaches, I answered that question. My point about the "well known" coaches (which of course you are one) was that I wasn't trying "hide" the playtesting among a select group, but was trying to get as many experienced coaches as I could playtesting them.
Obviously the playtesting has resulted in a lot of changes, what you see in the first post has been edited to reflect the results of those tests.
My playtest results have basically confirmed what my intent for the team was, it "feels" an awful lot like playing chaos. Fairly good at bashing, but with 7 players without dodge, they have a little trouble with "balling" Their wins tended to be a lot of 1-0,2-1 kind of wins, while there losses tended to be more 0-2,0-3. Either the bashing game worked, or it didn't and the team struggled
I have tested with several guards and it tended to help more on defense (oddly enough) because it made it harder for the opposing team to break through, but on offense it was difficult with the lower MA to get them every place they needed to be. If I used the guards for caging my outlying players got gang smashed, if I used them on the front wedge the got bogged down and I was vulnerable to blitzes around the edges. |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 15, 2007 - 03:33 |
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I think this team is probably good to go. I'm slightly concerned about the Guard still, especially on the Dodge players, but this isn't something that anyone can judge properly through Theory-Ball.
I'd like to see playtests with a high-end team, say one that has Guard+PO on a significant amount of players (good thing that's anti-synergistic, at least). Or an 11 Guard team (not the easiest thing to get, but not unachievable either. |
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To see the ancient and distinguished game that used to be
A model of decorum and tranquillity
Become like any other sport, a battleground...”
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Macavity
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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Dec 15, 2007 - 15:14 |
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Thanks for your real, and involved, response, Craft. I did apparently imagine the slight, my bad. One more question: Did you find that the positionals were all there right away? I'm of the opinion that buying many positionals should mean you crap out on Re-rolls, does it seem like people will choose between, say, Gors and a Re-roll (as stated in my own proposed team thread, I won't be play-testing until we've hit the million games, so I'm just gonna poke at others!) |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Dec 15, 2007 - 18:51 |
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Macavity wrote: | Thanks for your real, and involved, response, Craft. I did apparently imagine the slight, my bad. One more question: Did you find that the positionals were all there right away? I'm of the opinion that buying many positionals should mean you crap out on Re-rolls, does it seem like people will choose between, say, Gors and a Re-roll (as stated in my own proposed team thread, I won't be play-testing until we've hit the million games, so I'm just gonna poke at others!) |
The roster I primarily tested with contained all the positionals and that may not be the best strategy in the long run because, as you say, it puts the team short on rerolls. |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Jan 18, 2008 - 05:05 |
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*******Attention*******
Ok, after MUCH consideration, testing and soul searching, I've decided to err on the side of caution with the team. Brays will have A Ph access, not S Ph.
IF they make it into the league, when the evaluation period ends we can decide if they need a boost and possibly switch it then. I think that's a better way to go about it than to let people build teams that Might later be deemed too powerful and have to be wiped clean.
1st Post & Wiki updated with changes... |
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Jackbedead
Joined: Mar 01, 2004
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Mar 08, 2008 - 07:31 |
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I liked the old bray herd when the whole team had frenzy. This team doesn't fit any niche in stunty. There's no real different concept behind it to make it any different. It's basically chaos dwarfs in stunty as it is. I say give the ungors and centigors frenzy. Without G access and no block they'll be a lot of fun and cause a lot of turnovers.
Change the Star to Morghor, lose tail and give him foul appearance and str 4. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Feb 19, 2012 - 11:12 |
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Ungor are worse than human linesman so shouldn't be 60k. They are Strength2 except for the odd blitz. |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Feb 19, 2012 - 16:41 |
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garyt1 wrote: | Ungor are worse than human linesman so shouldn't be 60k. They are Strength2 except for the odd blitz. |
Stunty pricing and "regular" pricing don't equate. Players have to be considered in the environment that they're in. St 3 Blitzs against a league of overwhelmingly St 2 players is going to cost you.
btw, Nice Necromancy |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Apr 03, 2016 - 23:07 |
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As discussion of new teams in stunty has begun to resurface...
And given that Gnomes haven't shown S access to be completely OP...
I think it's time the Bray's switch back to their original S/M access. 1st Post edited according. |
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DeathJester74
Joined: Oct 11, 2015
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Apr 03, 2016 - 23:28 |
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I do not approve this roster. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Apr 04, 2016 - 00:01 |
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Craftnburn wrote: | As discussion of new teams in stunty has begun to resurface...
And given that Gnomes haven't shown S access to be completely OP...
I think it's time the Bray's switch back to their original S/M access. 1st Post edited according. |
I think Ungors should be the lino and the niche being they don't come with the Stunty skill. Both a good and a bad thing. |
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pokrjax
Joined: Dec 01, 2014
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Apr 04, 2016 - 02:27 |
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DeathJester74 wrote: | I do not approve this roster. |
Really? It seems rather up your street. |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Apr 07, 2016 - 02:53 |
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harvestmouse wrote: | I think Ungors should be the lino and the niche being they don't come with the Stunty skill. Both a good and a bad thing. |
I think the concept of Bray's (vs. Ungors) is really more fitting for stunty (It's certainly not much of a Bray Herd without the Brays ) . Furthermore a roster with Ungor linemen would likely be too expensive to maintain (even with the added durability provided by losing Stunty). |
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