johan
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Dec 06, 2007 - 22:38 |
 
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ST 2/Guard is good, but you could probably handle it. It's the SF that nails it, since they can keep the Guard in place when you just get a pushback. Really Stupid would work out well, though, since they will lose TZ a fair amount of the time.
Unskillable players is a bad idea, though, and may not even be supported (unless you have a weird implementation with 0-cost Stars). |
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SillySod
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:26 |
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| johan wrote: | Really Stupid would work out well, though, since they will lose TZ a fair amount of the time.
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I completely disagree. The whole point of the Zombis is to create tacklezones, not to hit stuff. RS or bonehead would stop them doing that. Wild animal would just be odd.
Edit: also i think that agility access would be more powerful for them that strength access. If you are built soley to tie people up then skills like dodge, sidestep and diving tackle are probably much better than guard. |
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Craftnburn
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:32 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | I completely disagree. The whole point of the Zombis is to create tacklezones, not to hit stuff. RS or bonehead would stop them doing that. Wild animal would just be odd. |
I completely disagree with your complete disagreement. 
Sigh.. Making stunty "zombies" or "skeletons" is Extremely difficult with the right balance of stats, skills and fluff. That is why I stayed away from the stunty undead idea for so long... |
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johan
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:33 |
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But that's the smart part - since they have Really Stupid, you'd be loathe to activate them for risk of losing the TZ. That way, they'll block less than they would without RS. With Guard/SF, they must have a downside. |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:37 |
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| johan wrote: | | But that's the smart part - since they have Really Stupid, you'd be loath to activate them for risk of lozing the TZ. That way, they'll block less than they would without RS. With Guard/SF, they must have a downside. |
Right, they'll only move when they have help, or you're desperate. |
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SillySod
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:43 |
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But that seems really strange. REALLY strange. I can see two things:
1 - People will be forced to babysit the zombis with the positionals, which is a boring use of the positional and leads to the overpowered SF, guard combination being used. Not fun for either player.
2 - Why not simply remove the SF? If you need RS to counter the effects of SF then it is simpler to remove SF. |
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johan
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:43 |
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Also, lose the bloody rat if you have S on the Zombies - with all that Guard, it will be an unholy terror on the field.
A single bat is pretty cool, though.
And the Abominations are a little skill-laden for starting players - maybe lose the MB?
Change the Wererat RSC to regular Claws - that's not quite as sick.
Edit: Wouldn't Pass Block and/or Shadowing on the Bats be quite nice, for that "In your face!" effect of distracting players?
Anyway, we need a revised list in order to give proper input. |
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johan
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Dec 06, 2007 - 23:51 |
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I like the idea of the Necromancers having to herd their Zombies around in small hordes. Tough choices is what gaming is all about.
But also, while Wild Animal on the Zombies is very bad as fluff goes, the actual results could be quite nice - they wouldn't lose their TZs, but they would be very ineffective at getting moved about. And roar in rage. |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Dec 07, 2007 - 00:07 |
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| johan wrote: | Also, lose the bloody rat if you have S on the Zombies - with all that Guard, it will be an unholy terror on the field.
Change the Wererat RSC to regular Claws - that's not quite as sick. |
By the time you're at a TR where your Zombis have Guard, your rat will be mincemeat if you don't use him sparingly.
Claws would be WAY more sick than RSC.
| johan wrote: | | I like the idea of the Necromancers having to herd their Zombies around in small hordes. Tough choices is what gaming is all about. |
Yeah, I that's the point of RS, the Necros (or their minions) have to herd the zombies. |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Dec 07, 2007 - 01:06 |
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i'm sorry did i miss the most important factor in building a team?...the fluff?
(and no, one line of "oh this is why" is not fluff)
--j |
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Kalamona
Joined: Apr 21, 2005
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Dec 07, 2007 - 01:12 |
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you had str2 guard basic players why would somebody play with slaves?..... |
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Craftnburn
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Dec 07, 2007 - 01:17 |
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| Kalamona wrote: | | you had str2 guard basic players why would somebody play with slaves?..... |
Maybe because Slaves START with Guard (AND DODGE), instead of waiting for MVPs and random Cas to land them 6 spp. |
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HunterX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 07, 2007 - 03:19 |
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Regular zombies have MA4 right? These should have less as they have shorter legs. But I don't like the AV8 either.
And they have only (S) access, so no dodge or block without doubles. They can't get Mighty Blow. So at worst, they will be:
0-12 Zombi 3 2 2 7 Bone Head, Regenerate, Stand Firm, Stunty (S) 40K with the longshot of gaining Guard at some point. Who's REALLY worried about a team FULL of them? Come on! It will NEVER happen. And if it does we can tweak it. But it will NEVER happen! Ever! Really... never.
So what about the other positionals?
The Bat Swarm is cool. Very fluffy. |
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johan
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Dec 07, 2007 - 11:26 |
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AV 7 is fine on Zombies, but you could give them Thick Skull to compensate a little in that case.
I'm thinking we're (finally) starting to get somewhere with this list!
For the positionals ... kick the Giant Rat, remove MB on the Abominations and drop their AG to 1 (really - they make pretty decent Ball carriers with ST4/Ag2+Extra Arm, and even moreso with a later Break Tackle). Probably make them Big Guys as well.
Go crazy with the Bats and give them Shadowing and Pass Block - it's not like they'll live long.
Remove Infect but add Zombi recruitment similar to Undead's.
Necromancers should be 0-2 -- no list ever has a minimum requirement of players, and it would probably cause odd bugs to code the list this way.
Possibly allow some kind of Stunty Skeletons, like:
Skelling 4 2 2 6 Dodge, Regenerate, Stunty (A) 40K
Also, make sure to tag the relevant players with Undead for Stakey goodness. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Dec 07, 2007 - 15:47 |
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| johan wrote: |
Remove Infect but add Zombi recruitment similar to Undead's.
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This is surely a bad idea since it would create a regular zombie that the player could use. I dont think the raise dead spell works on stunties or big guys either. Let me know if you RIP that cannon.
Giving infect to every player on the team probably works best. |
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