FUMBBL :: Online Blood Bowl League

Harad

Joined: May 11, 2014

Posted: Feb 20, 2015 - 22:11

No my understanding is that it is no longer being revised (although there are people on here who can tell you much more than me).

Just find a clawpomb team and look back through at the games they have lost. There tends to be a bit of a difference as well: there are good coaches playing clawpomb reasonably tactically where the games resemble 'normal' games just with increased threat. This is really hard to beat, you need some luck, some good play and should largely approach it no different to other games (except for an increased sense of the need to preserve your best players).

Then there are coaches who may not be great without clawpomb who just try to clear the pitch at the expense of all else. Here winning is sometimes easy and sometimes the dice will just go against you.

Elijah

Joined: Feb 16, 2015

Posted: Feb 20, 2015 - 22:27

Wreckage wrote:

This thread is ridiculus.
It's like: Let's discuss all problems of the current ruleset in one single thread.

Best would be to delete all other threads on the forum and just reference to here.

Is it such a big problem this Clawpomb?

JimmyFantastic

Joined: Feb 06, 2007

Posted: Feb 20, 2015 - 23:01

Elijah wrote:

Wreckage wrote:

This thread is ridiculus.
It's like: Let's discuss all problems of the current ruleset in one single thread.

Best would be to delete all other threads on the forum and just reference to here.

Is it such a big problem this Clawpomb?

Nope. It's a bit too good but it gets a ridiculous amount of hate.

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Wreckage

Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 02:06

Elijah wrote:

Wreckage wrote:

This thread is ridiculus.
It's like: Let's discuss all problems of the current ruleset in one single thread.

Best would be to delete all other threads on the forum and just reference to here.

Is it such a big problem this Clawpomb?

People bring up tons of problems with the rules, but pretty much all of them amount to issues with clawpomb.
You could discuss any aspect of the rules and would in the end land there.

For instance:
Box: -> People manage their TV -> People take too much clawpomb.

Skill distribution: -> Because traits have been removed all players look the same -> The new skills are mostly pretty even except that a few combos stick out incredibly much -> A full fledged CPOMB player consumes about 5-6 skills and there isn't any point in ever developing something else

Fouling: -> Fouling is too weak after the rule change. -> But the rules comitee invented CPOMB instead. -> But CPOMB is discriminating in who can take it. -> Because fouling is no good there is no way to deal with CPOMB.

Team Development: -> Teams don't manage to get on really high TV anymore. -> So maybe we should reduce the effects of spiralling expenses. -> But teams crash before they ever get into the reach of spiralling expenses. -> They get killed of by CPOMB.

Agile Teams: Why are agile teams so unpopular? -> Because they win just as often as the bash teams but get destroyed in process of winning. -> Why do they get destroyed? -> ...

People are rude: *randomrant* *morerant* *stillranting* *blablabla*..it is one thing when they make teams that purely consist of CPOMB but when they then also start to act like *swearword* *morerant*

Stuck with the ruleset: The BBRC is dissolved. -> Should we go now and make our own rules up? -> Is it really necessary. -> Actually yes, because of ...

Rule of 5: -> What is it? -> Never place more than 5 skilled players on the pitch. -> Why? -> Because that is the maximum number of players that can be protected from a blitz on setup. -> Why would I care about that? -> Because if you have more developed player on pitch they will just get schreddered. -> Why? -> Because of ...

Fend: Fend is an amazing new skill. -> No it is not. -> Yes it is. It counters PO. (So simplistic, but nvm).

Fumbbl Memes: Harry Potter Joke.

apo: Apo sucks now. it used to work on 5/6, now it's only 1/2. -> No, it's 2/3 if you look for healthy players. -> But I still get beat up in box all the time. -> Dude, that's because of ...

Big Guys too expensive: -> Av9 team sucks, opponents just tare through the armor, then pile on. I'M chanceless. ..Well....

Didn't get laid: I didn't get laid tonight. -> Well, thats because you were screaming like a mad man at your wife. -> I wasn't screaming at her. I was just scheduled in a completely unfair matchup. -> Who was the opponent? ....

League rules: -> What optional rules should we change for our league? -> We should leave Cpomb like it is. oO

Trolling: -> Forum Entry: How do I build a CPOMB team. -> ADMIN BANHAMMER!

Flings: Flings are fine in this ruleset. -> How so? They die like flies. -> But they got av10 trees. -> Av10? Ahahahhaha....

Rookie Quitter: I tried the game. It is just too much. How am I supposed to enjoy the game when I get trashed so early on?

Elijah

Joined: Feb 16, 2015

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 02:29

If the current ruleset is not officially supported anymore, and clowpomb is such a big problem, why then FUMBBL doesn't make their own rules? Slowly they can improve the current ruleset giving the community a chance to test new changes and overall make the game better. Why don't we do that?

EDIT: even if the clawpomb didn't exist I guess that improving the official ruleset could be a good idea, no?

mrt1212

Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 02:37

Wreckage wrote:

Elijah wrote:

Wreckage wrote:

This thread is ridiculus.
It's like: Let's discuss all problems of the current ruleset in one single thread.

Best would be to delete all other threads on the forum and just reference to here.

Is it such a big problem this Clawpomb?

People bring up tons of problems with the rules, but pretty much all of them amount to issues with clawpomb.
You could discuss any aspect of the rules and would in the end land there.

For instance:
Box: -> People manage their TV -> People take too much clawpomb.

Skill distribution: -> Because traits have been removed all players look the same -> The new skills are mostly pretty even except that a few combos stick out incredibly much -> A full fledged CPOMB player consumes about 5-6 skills and there isn't any point in ever developing something else

Fouling: -> Fouling is too weak after the rule change. -> But the rules comitee invented CPOMB instead. -> But CPOMB is discriminating in who can take it. -> Because fouling is no good there is no way to deal with CPOMB.

Team Development: -> Teams don't manage to get on really high TV anymore. -> So maybe we should reduce the effects of spiralling expenses. -> But teams crash before they ever get into the reach of spiralling expenses. -> They get killed of by CPOMB.

Agile Teams: Why are agile teams so unpopular? -> Because they win just as often as the bash teams but get destroyed in process of winning. -> Why do they get destroyed? -> ...

People are rude: *randomrant* *morerant* *stillranting* *blablabla*..it is one thing when they make teams that purely consist of CPOMB but when they then also start to act like *swearword* *morerant*

Stuck with the ruleset: The BBRC is dissolved. -> Should we go now and make our own rules up? -> Is it really necessary. -> Actually yes, because of ...

Rule of 5: -> What is it? -> Never place more than 5 skilled players on the pitch. -> Why? -> Because that is the maximum number of players that can be protected from a blitz on setup. -> Why would I care about that? -> Because if you have more developed player on pitch they will just get schreddered. -> Why? -> Because of ...

Fend: Fend is an amazing new skill. -> No it is not. -> Yes it is. It counters PO. (So simplistic, but nvm).

Fumbbl Memes: Harry Potter Joke.

apo: Apo sucks now. it used to work on 5/6, now it's only 1/2. -> No, it's 2/3 if you look for healthy players. -> But I still get beat up in box all the time. -> Dude, that's because of ...

Big Guys too expensive: -> Av9 team sucks, opponents just tare through the armor, then pile on. I'M chanceless. ..Well....

Didn't get laid: I didn't get laid tonight. -> Well, thats because you were screaming like a mad man at your wife. -> I wasn't screaming at her. I was just scheduled in a completely unfair matchup. -> Who was the opponent? ....

League rules: -> What optional rules should we change for our league? -> We should leave Cpomb like it is. oO

Trolling: -> Forum Entry: How do I build a CPOMB team. -> ADMIN BANHAMMER!

Flings: Flings are fine in this ruleset. -> How so? They die like flies. -> But they got av10 trees. -> Av10? Ahahahhaha....

Rookie Quitter: I tried the game. It is just too much. How am I supposed to enjoy the game when I get trashed so early on?

A+, more of this kind of German humor please.

Wreckage

Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 02:47

Elijah wrote:

to test new changes and overall make the game better. Why don't we do that?

There is a bit of an issue with rule consistency. BB isn't only played on Fumbbl. If Fumbbl diverted from the rules it would mean it would divert from the way BB is played in the rest of the world.
On top of it the site owner is more interested in running a BB site and implementation is a serious issue.

That being said, league gives the opportunity to test optional rules. Kalimar constantly complains that there is not enough feedback from that site. Personally I think that is probably because things run smoothly in league (as far as optional skills go anyways).

There are other comitees that also push forward rule changes / have pushed rule changes forward. I think.. NAF? is the biggest comitee for bb related questions? We may see some of them implemented here at some point (they are available in league already but don't ask me for details).

As far as the tournament scene goes CPOMB ain't really an issue tho because players do not tend to develop to a point where it becomes relevant there.

On fumbbl it is also less of an issue in ranked because you essentially pick your opponents there. Although this causes problems on its own that could be reduced with more balanced skills.

pythrr

Joined: Mar 07, 2006

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 03:15

MOAR PAGES!

OBBA nerfs Clawpomb a bit (Claw and MB do not stack, for example), and this seems to work ok, despite a little complaining from some coaches.

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keggiemckill

Joined: Oct 07, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 03:46

This is so 1985.

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Wreckage

Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 05:49

mrt1212 wrote:

A+, more of this kind of German humor please.

Ok. I'm still a bit fuzzy on what exactly German humor is, but I'll give it a try.

How do Americans call somebody in favor of public health ensurance?
A: A socialist.

What's the difference between an American and a yogurt?
A: The yogurt has its own culture.

The first American flies to the moon. Shocked he sends a message to NASA. "The Russians are already here. They are painting the moon in red! What should I do?"
NASA: "Just wait until they are finished and write Coca-Cola on it."

American Beer: The successful attempt to thin out water.

An airline before the crash:
There are 4 passengers and 3 parachutes left.
Says the first passenger: "I am Hillary Clinton, wife of a former US-president and one of most engaged women in the world." She takes a parachute bag and jumps.
The second passenger is George W. Bush. He says:"I was president of the USA and the smartest president in the history of the country." He takes another bag and jumps.
The third is pope Franciscus: "I am old, I don't need a bag."
The fourth one is a small boy: "It's ok, there are still two parachutes left. The smartest US president took a hand-bag.

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keggiemckill

Joined: Oct 07, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 05:56

Wreckage wrote:

An airline before the crash:
Says the first passenger: "I am Hillary Clinton, wife of a former US-president and one of most engaged women in the world." She takes a parachute bag and jumps.
The second passenger is George W. Bush. He says:"I was president of the USA and the smartest president in the history of the country." He takes another bag and jumps.
The third is pope Franciscus: "I am old, I don't need a bag."
The fourth one is a small boy: "It's ok, there are still two parachutes left. The smartest US president took a hand-bag.

Wouldn't there be three Parachute remaining, as Franciscus also neglected to take a Parachute? #confused

A perfect example of how the Euros don't think before they type.

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Wreckage

Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 06:06

keggiemckill wrote:

A perfect example of how the Euros don't think before they type.

There. Skipped a sentence in translation. Fixed. Smile

keggiemckill

Joined: Oct 07, 2004

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 06:24

Wreckage wrote:

keggiemckill wrote:

A perfect example of how the Euros don't think before they type.

There. Skipped a sentence in translation. Fixed. Smile

makes more sense now. XD

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ChenZhen

Joined: Dec 13, 2011

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 21:29

Elijah wrote:

If the current ruleset is not officially supported anymore, and clowpomb is such a big problem, why then FUMBBL doesn't make their own rules? Slowly they can improve the current ruleset giving the community a chance to test new changes and overall make the game better. Why don't we do that?

EDIT: even if the clawpomb didn't exist I guess that improving the official ruleset could be a good idea, no?

Also there is disagreement over what "improvement" would be. Coaches are divided over which is the best rule set, what teams are too strong / not strong enough, changes that should/shouldn't have been made to teams, etc.

There is a great deal of disagreement over changes that have been made in "other" video game versions of Blood Bowl. There is huge variety of opinion over Khorne, Apes, Bretonians, etc.

The BBRC was "official" in their changes, and the community still wasn't behind them in all the changes they made. For that reason, I don't think that applying house rulings to one of the major ways the game is played is a good thing.

pythrr

Joined: Mar 07, 2006

Posted: Feb 21, 2015 - 21:41

this thread needs more weed.

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