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| What shall we do with Fizzle? |
| Scorer - What wardancer? Throw me the ball, coach! |
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47% |
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| Point Guard/Retriever - Lose that thrower and give me sure hands, coach! I'll get the ball into Tex's hands. |
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0% |
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| Blitzer - Give me block and tackle coach! I'll get mighty blow and be the best hitting catcher since ever. |
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5% |
[ 1 ] |
| Sacker - Give me Wrackle, coach! I'll play safety and knock that ball free for you. |
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47% |
[ 8 ] |
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| Total Votes : 17 |
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Rat_Salat
Joined: Apr 22, 2011
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Apr 14, 2015 - 17:59 |
 
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So, this guy crashed my wardancer project. I've actually only ever had one other +ST Wood Elf catcher, and it came as a legend skill, so I didn't have to give any thought on what to do with him. He sort of did the same job as he always did, oneturned and caught passes. Going from 2 to 3ST is hardly the same as going from 3 to 4ST.
Blank canvas on this guy, who is essentially a high elf catcher with an extra skill. TV cost is actually pretty reasonable, only coming in at 10tv over the high elf chassis, assuming you are okay with sprint and sure feet for 40tv. Since it puts him into the endzone on 2 pushes, I think it's a good deal, but what to do with him? Feel free to share your +ST wood elf catchers and their stories. |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 14, 2015 - 18:07 |
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Block side step is a good start. Hard do move around, and easier oneturner with side step. Blodge obviously golden with side step. Wrestle is equally good instead of block. So 2 skills are already ironed out. Chances are you will pick another stat. If it is an agility, then retriever. If strength, then a spuper blocker with any number of crazy potential including frenzy. If movement, then further enhancing the oneturning capability. So the player is pretty much set in my opinion. Take Block/Wrestle, and Side step, and take the stat when it comes. |
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seanh1986
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
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Apr 14, 2015 - 18:07 |
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I have a similar situation with this team... I plan to give him block and just see where the SP rolls take me... If he survives that long  . |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Apr 14, 2015 - 18:56 |
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It's one of the odd players where I would consider skipping +ST. Of course I wouldn't actually skip it, I'd just consider skipping it...
What does +ST actually make him better at? Like you said st3 is not the same effect as st4, so what is his job, or supposed job, that he does better at S3 and S2?
He will not be a blitzer, you have WDs to do that. As a scorer it doesn't matter that much, other than when he's left alone to get blitzed. As a retriever it doesn't help at all.
I'd likely take guard if I were really going to skip it. But there's more than one way to play elfs. |
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Rabe
Joined: Jun 06, 2009
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Apr 14, 2015 - 19:02 |
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Well, I imagine breaking through the last line of defense (assuming it's 8 players) is still a challenge for an AG 4 one-turner (unless he has Leap, that is). With ST 3 he can blitz through it far more reliably (if one knows how to chain-push without using the blitz).
If he spends his time on the bench and only comes out for a quick score or two, the +ST is probably wasted (you could even take Nerves of Steel to increase his potential). If he does other stuff, ST 3 can't be wrong, I think. |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Apr 14, 2015 - 19:16 |
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I'm not turning it down either, but I don't think it provides much of a boost to the player either. Certainly not compared to when you get it on a gutter who can then turn into your sacker.
WE have the perfect player already to be the sacker, and to be the hitter with a double.
I guess you could give him MB if he does roll another double, but then he's even further removed from his usual role.
Personally I like guard on those players, yeah, you will say it gets them killed, but you don't use it just to use it, you use it when you really need to use it. And if it works they can't afford to waste too much effort on the guarder because they have to go find where you ran off to with the ball
But to the point of him being a one turner... he still needs/wants side step, and leap is better for it than is blitzing, a lot of the time you are blitzing to get the extra push anyway. At least WE who don't use a tree with grab.
Finally there's still the TV hit, which isn't something I'm overly concerned about, but it can be a factor in some situations.
Still, +ST then wrestle, then side step, then sure feet... Not a bad player at all. I'd still like my blodge/ss/guard guy a lot, but hard to turn down +ST. |
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Rat_Salat
Joined: Apr 22, 2011
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Apr 14, 2015 - 20:29 |
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I considered turning down the +ST. I actually only took it because I was curious about what uses I might find for him. I decided to take it because WE catchers actually only have a few GA skills worth taking, mainly due to starting with three of them already.
Block, Dodge, Sprint, Sure Feet, Catch, Sidestep, +ST seems like a pretty good start. That's going to bring him to 51spp. At that point, he's sort of like a sprint, sure feet, catch, sidestep wardancer. Which is actually a pretty crappy wardancer when you think about it that way. |
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Smeat
Joined: Nov 19, 2006
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Apr 14, 2015 - 21:07 |
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With AV 7, he needs either Block or Wrestle asap - too big of a risk otherwise, too far to the next skill without. But which?
It's a late +Stat, and he already has some skills that were sending him a specific direction, so - what do you do with a very fast* St 3, who is worth a lot of TV?
(* Guaranteed MA 8, mostly-reliable MA 9-10. semi-reliable MA 11)
Well, St 3 does little for his scoring, except keep him standing if hit before he scores, and on D. Meh.
And St 3 does nothing as a Retriever role - that's all about Agil, a St 2 can do that just as well. So if you want that, that's someone else who only needs 2 normal skills (Sure Feet + Sure Hands) to be just as good.
So, for my money... Sacker. Wrestle + Strip, 1d hits w/ RR pretty much anywhere on the field. Tackle later, or SS if you want to maximize his OTS potential (and make him scary when marking a cage corner).
You already have a +MA WD who does that, but he's a big target, and AV 7 having 2 defensive threats is not a bad thing. And meanwhile, MA 11 can still score any time.
(Note - You currently only have 1 Catcher and a small pile of cash. If you're min-maxing, then Scorer must be his primary role - so Block (to keep him standing), and possibly SS if OTS is your thing.
St 3 will still help keep him healthy, and more useful on D. If OTS isn't attractive then Block + Strip is not a terrible thing. If you 2-TS a lot and think he can survive standing (or you have a pass/handoff plan to the end-zone), Wrestle could do double duty, as he can still move 8(!) from prone.) |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 14, 2015 - 21:15 |
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The single takeaway is that get a treeman with guard. |
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OTS
Joined: Jul 12, 2004
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Apr 14, 2015 - 22:04 |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 14, 2015 - 22:12 |
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| Rat_Salat wrote: | | Block, Dodge, Sprint, Sure Feet, Catch, Sidestep, +ST seems like a pretty good start. That's going to bring him to 51spp. At that point, he's sort of like a sprint, sure feet, catch, sidestep wardancer. Which is actually a pretty crappy wardancer when you think about it that way. |
But it is still almost like having three Wardancers, and you should give him wrackle. |
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Harad
Joined: May 11, 2014
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Apr 14, 2015 - 22:32 |
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You should have taken kick  |
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BobBifford
Joined: Jul 17, 2014
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Apr 15, 2015 - 03:35 |
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Yep, kick was the skill to take. |
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Rat_Salat
Joined: Apr 22, 2011
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Apr 15, 2015 - 03:59 |
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| bghandras wrote: | | The single takeaway is that get a treeman with guard. |
Yeah, winning that blocking war up front is a huge priority. I'll get on that.
In all seriousness, he'll take guard next, but grab is better on wood elf treemen, and probably treemen in general.
If you aren't aware, a grab treeman and sure feet catcher can one-turn with 4 players on the pitch. Grab also lets you keep downed opponents in your blocking radius while rooted.
| Smeat wrote: | | (Note - You currently only have 1 Catcher and a small pile of cash. If you're min-maxing, then Scorer must be his primary role - so Block (to keep him standing), and possibly SS if OTS is your thing. |
I generally only run thrower/catcher or 2 catchers. I'm also paying 290tv for that wardancer on this team, and sitting on the north edge of the TV zone where I like to play as it is. This team isn't shooting for majors, just good fun bloodbowl. |
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Catalyst32
Joined: Jul 14, 2008
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Apr 15, 2015 - 04:06 |
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I believe I would make him a Sweeper/Sacker type with Frenzy.
With that MA and Sprint + Sure Feet he can threaten the sidelines from anywhere on the pitch.
Block at 31, Frenzy at 51 then Side Step.
Either that or I would get him Block, Tackle and Dauntless (to take down things like Bull Centaurs or to hit BOBs and Golems at a distance).
I know people say you have War Dancers for that. But how bad would it be to have 3 players that can fulfill that role in slightly different ways. |
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