fidius
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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Nov 09, 2015 - 17:42 |
 
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You know, we complain about the rules, and we all know the incentives, but at the end of the day the Box's high-TV problems are caused by the behaviour of only a few coaches who activate a lot. Legends playing exclusively high-TV bash are parasites: win-at-all-costs, sore-losing, damn-you-and-your-fun, centre-of-my-universe parasites. The thing to do to protect the site (meaning playerbase) is to police these few actors. As long as the incentives exist, it's the only answer. It's obvious who they are, and it's mainly a problem in NA evenings, because the bad actors tend to be North Americans, or European vampires. ("Location not disclosed" is often a giveaway as well.)
Sometimes I think the issue never gets addressed simply because Europe peak has always been mostly healthy, and NA is out of sight, out of mind. Other times I think Box is this way on purpose - we feel the need to give the parasites somewhere to play for some reason. I don't agree with this thinking.
[Edit: This came off more forcefully than I intended, so to anyone like mdd31 who took it personally I apologize. It was directed at only a very few coaches -- please read the first part of the second sentence carefully. I do however think it's important they be made aware how their behaviour affects the community (especially newer players), so if it took a forceful statement to make the point, and to discourage other players from adopting their approach, so be it.] |
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mdd31
Joined: Oct 23, 2014
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:09 |
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| fidius wrote: | You know, we complain about the rules, and we all know the incentives, but at the end of the day the Box's high-TV problems are caused by the behaviour of only a few coaches who activate a lot. Legends playing exclusively high-TV bash are parasites: win-at-all-costs, sore-losing, damn-you-and-your-fun, centre-of-my-universe parasites. The thing to do to protect the site (meaning playerbase) is to police these few actors. As long as the incentives exist, it's the only answer. It's obvious who they are, and it's mainly a problem in NA evenings, because the bad actors tend to be North Americans, or European vampires. ("Location not disclosed" is often a giveaway as well.)
Sometimes I think the issue never gets addressed simply because Europe peak has always been mostly healthy, and NA is out of sight, out of mind. Other times I think Box is this way on purpose - we feel the need to give the parasites somewhere to play for some reason. I don't agree with this thinking. |
WOW.
Could you be a little more discriminating and stereotyping of people??? Sure hope you are not someone of influence around here or anyone with a NA IP address might soon find themselves unable to log on as you disable access to everyone you see as a "parasite".
There are many ways to play this game, just because you don't like some of them do not make them wrong or the people involved bad people or as you say parasites. |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:19 |
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| mdd31 wrote: | | fidius wrote: | You know, we complain about the rules, and we all know the incentives, but at the end of the day the Box's high-TV problems are caused by the behaviour of only a few coaches who activate a lot. Legends playing exclusively high-TV bash are parasites: win-at-all-costs, sore-losing, damn-you-and-your-fun, centre-of-my-universe parasites. The thing to do to protect the site (meaning playerbase) is to police these few actors. As long as the incentives exist, it's the only answer. It's obvious who they are, and it's mainly a problem in NA evenings, because the bad actors tend to be North Americans, or European vampires. ("Location not disclosed" is often a giveaway as well.)
Sometimes I think the issue never gets addressed simply because Europe peak has always been mostly healthy, and NA is out of sight, out of mind. Other times I think Box is this way on purpose - we feel the need to give the parasites somewhere to play for some reason. I don't agree with this thinking. |
WOW.
Could you be a little more discriminating and stereotyping of people??? Sure hope you are not someone of influence around here or anyone with a NA IP address might soon find themselves unable to log on as you disable access to everyone you see as a "parasite".
There are many ways to play this game, just because you don't like some of them do not make them wrong or the people involved bad people or as you say parasites. |
You play in an anti-social way, you reap anti-social rewards. |
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DukeTyrion
Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:39 |
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The box is not conducive to playing much other than resilient teams over a long period of time, because of the heavy penalties associated with recovery.
If my Nurgle have a bad couple of games, they have cash and regen, so they can take the damage and repair.
When my Wood Elves took damage, they had no cash, but because of the 15/30 game rule, they were matched against much higher teams, because they are a 300 game old team (even though the oldest player on the roster is 7 matches).
If you want coaches to play other races over a long period of time, you need to remove the barriers that have been placed in their way.
Of course, the rule was brought in because of one min-max coach who was abusing new teams, but the damage of the fix has damaged old fragile teams, who now have a difficult time recovering. |
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BillBrasky
Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:43 |
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The Law of unexpected consequences always does it's magic.
Well put Duke.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Lead by example. If you want more diversity, be more diverse. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:43 |
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| mrt1212 wrote: | | mdd31 wrote: | | fidius wrote: | You know, we complain about the rules, and we all know the incentives, but at the end of the day the Box's high-TV problems are caused by the behaviour of only a few coaches who activate a lot. Legends playing exclusively high-TV bash are parasites: win-at-all-costs, sore-losing, damn-you-and-your-fun, centre-of-my-universe parasites. The thing to do to protect the site (meaning playerbase) is to police these few actors. As long as the incentives exist, it's the only answer. It's obvious who they are, and it's mainly a problem in NA evenings, because the bad actors tend to be North Americans, or European vampires. ("Location not disclosed" is often a giveaway as well.)
Sometimes I think the issue never gets addressed simply because Europe peak has always been mostly healthy, and NA is out of sight, out of mind. Other times I think Box is this way on purpose - we feel the need to give the parasites somewhere to play for some reason. I don't agree with this thinking. |
WOW.
Could you be a little more discriminating and stereotyping of people??? Sure hope you are not someone of influence around here or anyone with a NA IP address might soon find themselves unable to log on as you disable access to everyone you see as a "parasite".
There are many ways to play this game, just because you don't like some of them do not make them wrong or the people involved bad people or as you say parasites. |
You play in an anti-social way, you reap anti-social rewards. |
oo, are they cookies? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:44 |
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| mrt1212 wrote: |
You play in an anti-social way, you reap anti-social rewards. |
Though some people would whine about fouling & stalling.
| BillBrasky wrote: |
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Lead by example. If you want more diversity, be more diverse. |
How is that working? |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:44 |
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| DukeTyrion wrote: | The box is not conducive to playing much other than resilient teams over a long period of time, because of the heavy penalties associated with recovery.
If my Nurgle have a bad couple of games, they have cash and regen, so they can take the damage and repair.
When my Wood Elves took damage, they had no cash, but because of the 15/30 game rule, they were matched against much higher teams, because they are a 300 game old team (even though the oldest player on the roster is 7 matches).
If you want coaches to play other races over a long period of time, you need to remove the barriers that have been placed in their way.
Of course, the rule was brought in because of one min-max coach who was abusing new teams, but the damage of the fix has damaged old fragile teams, who now have a difficult time recovering. |
indeed. should just have banned the one unmentioned coach. instead the whole system got distorted. |
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Timetis
Joined: Mar 31, 2014
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:50 |
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| koadah wrote: | | How is that working? |
Nowadays you're more likely to draw one of Bills Helf/Welf/Delf teams than you are of drawing the one high tv basher.
Even before WMD's got stuck in the FC; ) |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:52 |
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| DukeTyrion wrote: | The box is not conducive to playing much other than resilient teams over a long period of time, because of the heavy penalties associated with recovery.
If my Nurgle have a bad couple of games, they have cash and regen, so they can take the damage and repair.
When my Wood Elves took damage, they had no cash, but because of the 15/30 game rule, they were matched against much higher teams, because they are a 300 game old team (even though the oldest player on the roster is 7 matches).
If you want coaches to play other races over a long period of time, you need to remove the barriers that have been placed in their way.
Of course, the rule was brought in because of one min-max coach who was abusing new teams, but the damage of the fix has damaged old fragile teams, who now have a difficult time recovering. |
Wasn't it suggested at some point to change the 30 game team age to actually looking at the oldest player (or players) age instead?
I kind of liked that suggestion to keep the min/max issue at bay, but still make rebuilding with squishy teams actually doable. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:56 |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:56 |
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| Mr_Foulscumm wrote: |
Wasn't it suggested at some point to change the 30 game team age to actually looking at the oldest player (or players) age instead?
I kind of liked that suggestion to keep the min/max issue at bay, but still make rebuilding with squishy teams actually doable. |
I don't remember that, but it is a very good idea. |
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Timetis
Joined: Mar 31, 2014
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Nov 09, 2015 - 20:59 |
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Are people following suit? |
Aah, you meant it in that way.
Nope - seems like bb2 has drawn in more chaos teams: ) |
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Dunenzed
Joined: Oct 28, 2011
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Nov 09, 2015 - 21:02 |
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The SoB have also had a three game run of same coach, same team draws. Mrt1212's Jumbo Franks and Weenies BBL (with one of those games including a glorious 5 cas 11 foul rampage). Does this mean mrt1212 is ruining diversity in the box with his Ogres? Or is it me with my humans? |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Nov 09, 2015 - 21:05 |
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You should both feel ashamed! |
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