ClayInfinity
Joined: Aug 15, 2003
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Sep 01, 2023 - 05:29 |
 
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| Nelphine wrote: | Given bloodlust, I'm hoping for
0-4 blitzer 6 4 2+ 4+ 10+ juggernaut bloodlust hypno regen
0-2 runner 8 3 2+ 5+ 9+ hypno bloodlust regen
0-1 thrower 6 4 2+ 2+ 9+ pass hypno bloodlust regen |
Agree as above that Blitzers would be 0-2
Also why is the Runner ST busted? If anything the thrower would be the weaker strength if we were being thematic.
I think they will retain the ST4 across the board.
I wouldnt be surprised if Thralls lost an AG like Nurgle Rotters did.
My big query is what is the "new" Blood Lust skill |
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Gridironman
Joined: Mar 18, 2022
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Sep 01, 2023 - 06:28 |
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If the roster was
x1 passer with 2+ pa 4 st 2+ag 6mv 9 av 9 new blood lust, hypnotic gaze, and pass
x2 runner with 3+ pa 4 st 2+ ag mv 7 av 9 new bloodlust, hypnotic gaze and dodge
x2 blitzer with 3+ pa 4 st 2+ ag mv 7 av 9 new bloodlust, hypnotic gaze, and block
x1 Arch vampire 4+ pa 5 st 3+ ag mv 5 av10 new bloodlust, hypnotic gaze thickskull, and MB
x12 Thrall 4+ pa 3 st 4+ ag mv 6 av 8 no skill
It would be a more fun team, not necessarily top tier but less stunty lite. I will really miss the teams of legend version, it was much nicer than old bloodlust. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Sep 01, 2023 - 16:02 |
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Looks like 6 vamps and 8 thralls in the box
I assume the females leaning forward are the runners, the crouching ones are the blitzers, and the upright ones leaning back are throwers
They don't look substantially different physically, so maybe they're all STR4
Or all ST3?? |
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Zlefin
Joined: Apr 14, 2005
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Sep 01, 2023 - 17:30 |
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That is indeed a poor win rate, but far from unplayable, and I do have to suspect that there's room for them to get better than that with better average coaching. That note about the people who coach them does seem lik eit could skew results some; as vampires a team that benefits from being more developed, much like chaos.
At any rate, I don't think the team would really need a major rework; that seems excessive, all it really needs is a less punishing negatrait, that alone would bring it to be about right. |
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daniel7582
Joined: Feb 01, 2020
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Sep 01, 2023 - 17:35 |
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Edit: accidently posted twice |
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daniel7582
Joined: Feb 01, 2020
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Sep 01, 2023 - 17:36 |
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I'd love to see 0-6 of any vampire positionals, same as how renegades do big guys. Doubt that happens though |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Sep 01, 2023 - 18:19 |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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The actual reveal stream said MA8 for runners, and juggernaut for blitzers.
Beyond that its guesswork. |
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sebco
Joined: Feb 14, 2005
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Sep 02, 2023 - 22:14 |
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They also said "pass for throwers", no ?
(and Warhammer Community announcement confirmed vampires had no more Animal Savagery but an updated Bloodlust rule) |
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Jayward
Joined: Dec 22, 2020
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Sep 05, 2023 - 16:45 |
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Mingoose
Joined: Jul 28, 2016
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Sep 05, 2023 - 16:50 |
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Bloodlust 3+ on the Vargheist... WTF could that be??? Bloodlust must be completely different than anything we have known before, otherwise this guy will be unplayable. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Sep 05, 2023 - 17:03 |
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Maybe new bloodlust lets you take a bite mid move?
Declare a blitz, fail bloodlust, run 2 spaces to your thrall, chomp, run 3 more spaces to your blitz target and push, pow. |
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Mingoose
Joined: Jul 28, 2016
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Sep 05, 2023 - 17:15 |
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I guess if the Varg doesn't have loner it could possibly be workable... otherwise I don't know how a team can have the Varg biting a thrall 1/3 of the time. Seems unplayably bad. I have a feeling GW just threw some rules together that "seemed cool" and didn't bother playtesting. We shall see. |
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Flea94
Joined: May 06, 2022
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Sep 05, 2023 - 17:34 |
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| Mingoose wrote: |
Bloodlust 3+ on the Vargheist... WTF could that be??? Bloodlust must be completely different than anything we have known before, otherwise this guy will be unplayable. |
My theory is that Bloodlust works the same way Animal Savagery does, but you also move on a 2+ (with the Vampires having Bloodlust(2+)).
If so, Bloodlust(3+) would mean it does everything on a 3+. At this point it should be really really strong or at least not have Loner(4+) to be a decent model. |
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XtremeXwing
Joined: Dec 03, 2004
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Sep 05, 2023 - 21:46 |
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Unpopular Opinion with the count making an appearance without OFAB he will be "old world CLassic" as well |
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