AlcingRagaholic
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 27, 2004 - 19:31 |
 
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Nah, until they get Leap and NOS, AG6 no pain in the ass.
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Grumbledook
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 27, 2004 - 19:49 |
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nope its diff from dodges, a modified 1 on a pass is also a fumbbl
where as 2-1 on a dodge with ag6 will suceed |
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Eddy
Joined: Aug 04, 2004
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Oct 03, 2004 - 22:25 |
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what rick_s_chris said is wrong. tackle zones exert the same malus that range and sun and FA, so there's no way AG6 counters those. it IS useful to have an AG6 thrower, it's just that you shouldn't hope he'll do wonders in throwing with maluses. but as long as you get a 0 modifier to your passing roll, you have a beast of a ball retriever.
edit: oh and btw, it also means that a human thrower with accurate is a better thrower than an elf thrower without this skill. |
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Tolmandary
Joined: Aug 28, 2004
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Oct 03, 2004 - 23:44 |
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As an unofficial GW spokeperson I can confirm that the rules work as follows:
For an AG 6 thrower a 'roll' of 1+ is required for the pass to succeed, in this instance there is a -1 modifier because it is a long pass. As with all dice in Blood Bowl a 1 automatically fails, so if a 1 is rolled the pass fumbles, if a 2 is rolled 2 - 1 = 1 the pass succeeds, this is because the 1 obtained in this instance is the modified result and not the dice result. Hope that helps.
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Lamoron
Joined: Apr 21, 2004
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Oct 04, 2004 - 00:06 |
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Well that's contrary to everything else said... now I'm really confused.
| Quote: | if a 2 is rolled 2 - 1 = 1 the pass succeeds
- Tolmandary |
| Quote: | if the D6 roll for a pass is 1 or less before or after modification, then the hrower has fumbled and dropped the ball.
- LRB 3.0, page 22 |
That can't be right.... it specificly states in the LRB, that if it's a modified "1" you fumbl, yet Tolmandary states, that with AG 6 a modified 1 will be a succes.... |
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Eddy
Joined: Aug 04, 2004
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Oct 04, 2004 - 00:45 |
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| Tolmandary wrote: | | As an unofficial GW spokeperson |
as such, if you know all GW products like that, you'll get fired shortly. |
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SixFootDwarf
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Oct 04, 2004 - 17:33 |
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Yeah, that's wrong. I agree with the principle, but the Bible says a 1 before or after modification is a fumble.
I WOULD like to see the Rules Review cover this issue. It's one of the older problems. |
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Xeterog
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Oct 04, 2004 - 18:08 |
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| Eddy wrote: | | Tolmandary wrote: | | As an unofficial GW spokeperson |
as such, if you know all GW products like that, you'll get fired shortly. |
No, he'll just be regulated to the guys that answer rules quesions via phone/mail/email...you know the ones that never give the same answer twice....
BTW.. a 1 before or after modification is a fumble..no matter what the target number is. A fumble overides everything else (inaccurate pass, accurate pass, etc) |
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Karhumies
Joined: Oct 17, 2004
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Dec 01, 2004 - 13:03 |
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Rules-wise: (LRB 3.0, page 13)
"THROWING
Roll a D6, and add or subtract any of the modifiers that apply to the
D6 roll. A roll of 1 before modification always fails and
a roll of 6 before modification always succeeds.
If the final modified score equals or beats the required
roll, the pass is accurate and lands in the target square.
If the D6 roll is less than the required total, then the
pass is not accurate and will scatter."
Mathematically:
roll=2
long pass: -1 modifier
Modified roll= 2-1= 1
required roll=1 (or more)
The modified roll equals the required roll, so the pass succeeds. |
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Karhumies
Joined: Oct 17, 2004
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Dec 01, 2004 - 13:07 |
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But then again.... page 22, Fumbling
Fumbles
-- if the D6 roll for a pass is 1 or less
before or after modification, then the thrower has
fumbled and dropped the ball. The ball will bounce once
from the thrower’s square, and the moving team will
suffer a turnover and their team turn ends immediately.
roll=2
long pass: -1 modifier
modified roll=1
The modified roll is 1, so the pass is a fumble.
This also means that an AG 5 thrower would have throwed just as well. Both AG 5 and AG 6 throwers need a roll of 3+ (67% chance) to succeed in a long pass without the help of any skills.
IMO fumbling should be mentioned on the same page as throws to avoid misunderstandings. |
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Xeterog
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 01, 2004 - 17:23 |
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Yeah, there are alot of rules like that..but technically, fumbles are an 'optional' rule, so are listed in the extra rules section. |
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jetliracer
Joined: Nov 05, 2004
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Dec 01, 2004 - 17:48 |
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I'm just wondering - if a '2' can also be a fumble then how can the AG5 thrower ever throw a long pass that is inacurate?
If a '2' is a fumble and 3 is accurate then it eliminates the inacurate throw altogether... Hardly seems to make sense.
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jetliracer
Joined: Nov 05, 2004
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Dec 01, 2004 - 17:56 |
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"Sometimes a player attempting to throw the ball will drop
it in their own square. This is more likely if the player has
any opposing players breathing down his neck! To
represent this, if the D6 roll for a pass is 1 or less
before or after modification, then the thrower has
fumbled and dropped the ball. The ball will bounce once
from the thrower’s square, and the moving team will
suffer a turnover and their team turn ends immediately."
Actually you could sort of interpret the rules as this:
"The thrower can only fumbl the the throw on anything other than a '1' if he is in an enemy's TZ."
Seeing that is is written that the likelyhood of this happening is increased if there "opposing players breathing down his neck"(meaning TZs i suppose). Still this interpretation is not entirely clear cut.
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BadMrMojo
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 01, 2004 - 18:48 |
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| jetliracer wrote: | ...Actually you could sort of interpret the rules as this:
"The thrower can only fumbl the the throw on anything other than a '1' if he is in an enemy's TZ."
Seeing that is is written that the likelyhood of this happening is increased if there "opposing players breathing down his neck"(meaning TZs i suppose). Still this interpretation is not entirely clear cut. |
That's pretty clearly fluff - written for fun - to make the rulebook read less like stereo instructions.
Mistaking that for an actual rule which is clearly stated in the next sentence is stretching it quite a bit, if you ask me. |
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SixFootDwarf
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 01, 2004 - 19:26 |
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Amen. The rules clearly state (in black ink no less) that a modified 1 is a fumble. Why the debate? It's not what you think it SHOULD be, or that AG6 is now useless for passing...that's not the issue. Who cares?! The rule says natural 1 or modified 1 is a fumble. fin. |
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