Adar
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Mar 07, 2006 - 19:45 |
 
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Look at the poll for the question, then answer honestly what you belive (consider the last one the option even if you consider it to be three quarters closed, one quarter opened or something like that).
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hauge
Joined: Oct 23, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 19:49 |
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But why??? |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 07, 2006 - 19:51 |
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It's a zen thing. Pies are too common. |
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Loki_on_NAF
Joined: Jun 07, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 19:52 |
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Treating this with a seriousness I’m not convinced it warrants....
The picture could show a gate that was 'closed' i.e. all the way down; yet it would still be 'open' as it was unlocked, not that this could be told from a picture necessarily.
Taking 'open' to mean allows access I voted Open. |
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Menikmati
Joined: Jan 02, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 19:54 |
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arent the two last options the same? |
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masterpaw
Joined: Jan 09, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:03 |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:06 |
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| Menikmati wrote: | | arent the two last options the same? |
This is actually where my argument is heading. 
Terms like "open" or "closed" are absolute in their definition. A gate that is closed is just that, closed. You can't walk through it (without additional manipulation to make it open). An open gate is just that, open. An half open gate signifies that the gate is in a position somewhere halfway between open and closed.
If you claim that the door is both opened and closed would it mean that you should get a nose bleed from hitting the closed door while your running through it. Basicly it's a contradiction.
The same argument works for religion. The religions A, B and C can say:
A) Our god is the only true god becuase our holy book says so.
B) Our god is the only true god becuase our holy book says so
C) Some parts of A and B:s holy books are true but they are actually the same thing.
This quite obviously is three different religions.
Religion D could however not claim "Both A and B:s religions are true becuase the holy books says so" becuase both A and B:s religions clearly claims to be exclusivly true. Becuase by claiming that both are true are they actually claming that both are untrue. In essence they are nothing but religion C that tries to sound polemic. |
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Loki_on_NAF
Joined: Jun 07, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:15 |
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I would direct you back to my last post, you have to allow for semantics. A gate can be
Open- there is a gap
or a gate can be
Open- unlocked.
A lot of arguments in many arenas stem from misunderstanding of what is meant. |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:23 |
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| DX wrote: | I would direct you back to my last post, you have to allow for semantics. A gate can be
Open- there is a gap
or a gate can be
Open- unlocked.
A lot of arguments in many arenas stem from misunderstanding of what is meant. |
That's actually a bonus. You can interpret it as open (A), closed (B) or half open (C) but you definatly can't claim it to be both open and close unless you try to change the parameters. |
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f_alk
Joined: Sep 30, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:26 |
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Ahm ... from the quantum point of view there is a difference between the last two options.
There we have the difference between:
- a state that has an even distribution of two possibilities (a "mixture": half open, half closed)
- a state that is evenly distributed over these two possibilities (a "superposition": all at once)
If you measure either of the two by one of the possibilities (open or closed), you can't differ them by the results. But, if you measure them by "themselves", then the second state can give rise to strange effects: interferences of the pathways (open or closed). This then can lead to states which is fully closed or fully opened. |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:27 |
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Open enough to get in, kill the terrorists and rescue the hostages, although I personally always used the tunnel on top of the warehouse to get in on CS_assault. |
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lauth81
Joined: Aug 21, 2004
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:28 |
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| DX wrote: | I would direct you back to my last post, you have to allow for semantics. A gate can be
Open- there is a gap
or a gate can be
Open- unlocked.
A lot of arguments in many arenas stem from misunderstanding of what is meant. |
Exactly. Please don´t mix language and logic. Language use includes things like semantics and pragmatism, not just words in the right grammatical order. (Pragmatism even allows breaking these rules voluntarily). Linguistics isn´t math. |
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Loki_on_NAF
Joined: Jun 07, 2005
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:36 |
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To get a way from the example of gates.
The point i was trying to make is that you have to be very careful how you use language in getting a point across. Some things that we may class as an absolute are not quite so clear cut. Much of the conflict between people arises from a different intepretation of something.
To go back the example you can claim a gate is open and closed, i.e. the gate is unlocked but it is completely shut. You have to clarify the parameters you are disscussing to be sure your message is understood. |
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vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
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Mar 07, 2006 - 20:52 |
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The gate is neither completely open nor completely shut.
It's in an intermediate state, so I prefer the 4th answer.
The gate isn't Yog Sothoth so it isn't all in one, is it? |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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Got to say Taffsider, though i have enjoyed all your recent posts on the subject, didn't i deal with this efectively on page 1 of evolution v hocuspocus? |
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