JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Dec 08, 2014 - 10:25 |
 
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Khorne and Brets will be as official as you can get sadly. |
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delusional
Joined: Jan 18, 2013
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Dec 08, 2014 - 11:09 |
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A FUMBBL LRB would be completely awesome. We know what is broken and can probably figure out new teams a little better, like Ape's. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Dec 08, 2014 - 11:19 |
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As far as I know, that ruleset is LRB 6, which GW didn't wish to be live. I was under the impression that they'd defend their OP if it were published, and Cyanide have published it!
Either GW don't know, don't care or have had a change of heart.
Personally, I'd rather Brets and/or Khorne become official than Apes, Apes don't fit the fluff very well. The fact Apes is to support a rival figure range, there's as much chance of them becoming official as me marrying an ape (very very low). |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Dec 08, 2014 - 11:44 |
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| delusional wrote: | | A FUMBBL LRB would be completely awesome. We know what is broken and can probably figure out new teams a little better, like Ape's. |
This is a strong second account name for situations such as this. Good job, whoever this is! 
Even if you put aside the insurmountable arguments regarding why deviating from the official rules would be poor judgement to begin with, the arrogance underpinning the idea that FUMBBL is comprised of super geniuses that would combine to birth a ruleset better than CRP is astounding. It's as bad an idea as introducing 'tweaks' today, leading to 'tweaks' every six months as we slowly realise that tweaking upsets the whole of the rules far more than is immediately evident.
Any set of rules contains bits that people don't like. LRB FUMBBL, CRP+, Purplegoo's garage league, they would all have the forum as up in arms as CRP. Moaning about the rules is a standard FUMBBL forum activity, and I'd not want to change a fun tradition. I just wish it'd be slightly more sensible some days. |
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mister__joshua
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | How many gamers would be interested in playing a FUMBBL type version of Warhammer? I'd jump at the chance. |
I'd love it, and play it often.
I always think that GWs main problems fall into two areas. Shortsightedness and a seeming resentment for their own community. GW as a hobby seems to be on the wane because extortionate prices make it hard for kids/teens to get into the game (and that's when people normally start), and they react to falling sales by increasing prices instead of dropping them to boost sales. Their shortsightedness can be seen in their refusal to join the other companies in modern production (computer modelling) and in their IP defenders (lawyers) hunting down community sites full of people who buy their products over the odd image or rules text violation.
To get GW back to where it should be, I feel they need a complete overhaul. They need to free their IP, embrace 3D printing. How cool would it be to be able to craft your own models in a limited 3D editor? The world is not the same world where they could aggressively protect everything that was theirs and try to monopolise wargames. They now need to become a big fish in the wargaming pond, rather than the only fish in their own pond. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Dec 08, 2014 - 12:51 |
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Even if you put aside the insurmountable arguments regarding why deviating from the official rules would be poor judgement to begin with, the arrogance underpinning the idea that FUMBBL is comprised of super geniuses that would combine to birth a ruleset better than CRP is astounding. |
I see the deviating from the official rules part. There's no telling where that could go. I'd like to see, but I'm cautious to because of how anti coaches like you are about it. FUMBBL would certainly lose coaches due to deviating, the thing is how many would it gain? I don't think it'd gain any, but maybe keep players after joining, but then.........we'd probably find something else to complain about.
The good thing about a FUMBBL rules pack, or deviating from the official rules is that they could be tweaked to suit our needs, this isn't the case with the official set. As I said, I'd like to see it, but it's too big a risk for Christer; unless he revamped the divisions.
As for coming up with a better ruleset here? Of course we could. We have guys with talent, have the experience of playtesting CRP and the knowledge of what makes FUMBBL tick.
None of which the BBRC had. Also I don't have anything against the BBRC members, I don't dislike any that I've chatted with. However, I wouldn't call some of them 'geniuses'. I also don't think there are many (any?) that have a vast amount of experience of a FUMBBL environment (true I have no idea whether any of them play cyanide). They were prominent when they needed experience, and were chosen. If an unbiased committee was chosen now, would it be the exact same member? No. Are there people on FUMBBL just as or more qualified? I think so.
We have the basis, it's not like the game needs to be reinvented. Between LRB 4 and CRP there's not that much to add. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 08, 2014 - 12:57 |
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| Purplegoo wrote: | | delusional wrote: | | A FUMBBL LRB would be completely awesome. We know what is broken and can probably figure out new teams a little better, like Ape's. |
This is a strong second account name for situations such as this. Good job, whoever this is!
Even if you put aside the insurmountable arguments regarding why deviating from the official rules would be poor judgement to begin with, the arrogance underpinning the idea that FUMBBL is comprised of super geniuses that would combine to birth a ruleset better than CRP is astounding. It's as bad an idea as introducing 'tweaks' today, leading to 'tweaks' every six months as we slowly realise that tweaking upsets the whole of the rules far more than is immediately evident.
Any set of rules contains bits that people don't like. LRB FUMBBL, CRP+, Purplegoo's garage league, they would all have the forum as up in arms as CRP. Moaning about the rules is a standard FUMBBL forum activity, and I'd not want to change a fun tradition. I just wish it'd be slightly more sensible some days. |
Well, people will never stop complaining/moaning/whining about the rules.
However, I don't find it at all arrogant to think that people who actually play or have played in a certain league or division may come up with better rules for it than people may never have played in it.
Former BBRC members have suggested that the rules may well have been different if they had had access to Fumbbl data. |
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Ginocoolowski
Joined: Jun 13, 2009
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Dec 08, 2014 - 13:05 |
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I had been playing and running my own league at my LGS last summer when the Chaos Edition of the Blood Bowl Video Game came out, with a new race!
It was around this time that I had also began to hear rumors about a new BB boxed game coming out from GW even with a new set of plastic teams and I would expect a rulebook!
Then GW shutdown all it's specialist games and no new boxes were announced.
Then the BB2 launch trailers came out from Cyanide and they were saying they'd be including (and are) Brettonians in their newest incarnation of BB.
So I had to get some answers at this point and start playing fumbbl again because the game finder was finally finished.
GW has tons and tons of obvious fat to trim and I thought White Dwarf and their horribly expensive and inefficient GW retail stores would be the first to go on their chopping block not Specialist Games, I'm sad for sure but as long as fummbl is up and new BB games are coming out on next gen platforms I know BB won't die, I just am worried that GW might be too dumb of a business to survive in this new age of gaming. |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Dec 08, 2014 - 13:21 |
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I wish Secret League will get rid of all this whining for a while and people start playng for fun, with fluff and all, instead. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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| koadah wrote: | | Former BBRC members have suggested that the rules may well have been different if they had had access to Fumbbl data. |
Well, I provided the BBRC with some data during their process. However, the trick to data is that you get what you ask for and it's very very hard to ask the correct questions. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Dec 08, 2014 - 14:39 |
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| mrt1212 wrote: | | As silly as it sounds, having an inscrutable arbitrary ruleset in place probably is for the best because some of the pet ideas people have are bananas. |
Apes are bananas. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 08, 2014 - 15:06 |
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| Christer wrote: | | koadah wrote: | | Former BBRC members have suggested that the rules may well have been different if they had had access to Fumbbl data. |
Well, I provided the BBRC with some data during their process. However, the trick to data is that you get what you ask for and it's very very hard to ask the correct questions. |
That is interesting. What data did you give them? We didn't have an LRB5 client. Was that the Vault? Or was it more than that? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 08, 2014 - 15:17 |
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| Roland wrote: | | I wish Secret League will get rid of all this whining for a while and people start playng for fun, with fluff and all, instead. |
Well, it won't.
Actually Test division sounded pretty interesting though I didn't have time to really try it.
I'd say that a new division with a scheduler and LRB6, stunty and maybe Secret league teams would be interesting.
Also have each team starting with at least 1100 or 1200k.
And experiment with some house rules.
Could call it... um... Experimental. |
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SpadesOfJack
Joined: Apr 18, 2014
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Dec 08, 2014 - 16:18 |
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | How many gamers would be interested in playing a FUMBBL type version of Warhammer? I'd jump at the chance. |
Heck, the only reason I never got into Warhammer was because of the overwhelming IMMENSITY of it and trying to find people at the local game shops that play it. A FUMMBLHammer game would completely destroy what little social life I have, but it'd be SO worth it.  |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Dec 08, 2014 - 16:20 |
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I think League could encompass that all. I agree with the top brass, that we don't want another division right now.
With the demise of Specialist Games, I haven't really seen much of a difference to the Specialist Games. Ok, a sometimes great mag has gone, but who buys mags anymore? Particularly with Smart Phones and Tablets being where they are. It also looks like that GW are happy to rent the SG franchises to computer game companies. Cyanide and Blood Bowl don't have a good reputation around here, however generally it can only be a good thing, can't it?
Well we did have an lrb 5 division, however it was using the old client so it was a half way house, actually it wasn't even a half way house as the site was coded for lrb 4. I tell you what would be interesting, if the old client (I'm not suggesting we should go back to it, Kalimar's has far more potential) with the out of game add ons from CRP and the new skills. I'd be interested to see where BB would be with that. |
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