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Third part : Clawpombs and min/max
Well, i started this blog telling how i find this site, and how im started to be a BlackBoxer.

So is time to write my opinion about the clawpombs and min/max....and let you blame me ;)

First, i think there is a problem in Black Box and Fumbbl.

Are Clawpombs? Not for me. Clawpomb is part of the game, and i dont think that broke the game. Or at least no more than dirty player in LRB4, or Claw/RSC. And you can counter it, is really funny play againts a clawpomb team with my norse/fend team, and laugh about his useless claw and po.

Ok, he can get juggi...but always in 5 or 6 skill...how many players will have a team with 5-6 skills?

In my opinion, in LRB6 we have a circle.

Clawpombs kills av9 teams ( dorfs, orcs.. ), Av9 teams kills av7 teams ( as always ), and av7 teams dance around clawpombs. No team have a real advantage againts all teams,. A chaos pact team can destroy a dorf team, but the same chaos pact play againts zons and sure he will have a real problem. And the zons play againts the dorfs....well, all know what happend :)

And coaching and luck always count, lots of times i see a game with a clawpomb team vs someone, and he destroy the team, more of the times he didnt need clawpomb, he just rolled 6+4 -- 5+5.

If you dont like clawpombs is ok, is a game, and a game ( and life ) is not perfect, always have something we think is bad. But is part of it, so you have to life with it ( or in this case, play houserules o play lrb 4 )

But for me, is ok, is part of the game and is funny to see a dorf team is destroyed...hey, is BLOODbowl, even is happend to me, i always can rebuilt, or make a new team.

Well, clawpombs are not the problem, are min/max?

Not a problem at all. In me opinion, min/max is really boring. First, is not perfect, coaching still count, and luck, so one good block or a lucky foul, and one of you best players out, letting you with the rest of you team, unskilled, vs a balanced team.
Second, if its perfect, if make you win all the games...where is the fun? You play any game, you know that if you press a+b+c+d at time, you win, and you press it. You win...and now?, play again and press again the buttons?
Where is the fun in play always the same team, with the same players? And, if you are always in the same Tv, you will play always againts the same teams, more or less...

Ofc win is funny.... but make a team, develop it, play againts diferents teams, try to make you a best coach....is more funny!.

I try to make a min/max clawpomb chaos pact team...and i canot make it. Min/max its not for me, keep a team in a determinate tv and dont skill all the players, fire them....not for me.

Ofc i make a clawpomb team...and is funny =)

So min/max is not a problem at all, no for me, i think is boring, really boring, but i have no problems to play againts a min/max. If the coach think is funny make a team like this, who im to say him that is not funny? The rules allow him to make it, so i have to accept it ( or go and play ranked and dont play this teams )

So, clawpombs are no a problem...min/max not a problem too...where is the problem for me?

People.

Not all, there are really cool guys in here, the 90% of fumbblers are great players and i love this site. But the other 10%....

People who play againts a clawpomb team, and stay all the game telling you ( or his oppo ) that clawpomb broke the game, you broke the game, you are a bad coach and only roll dices etc etc... . Come on, you know LRB6 clawpombs are allow, you know in Black box are lots of clawpombs teams....if you hate that skills...why the hell you play in black box? Make a League or play Ranked and choose you oppos, you have that option.
I dont tell you are a cherrypicker, or a coward. You dont like a part of the rules, its ok, you have a part of the site where you can make a fair matches and where you can avoid the part of the rules you think are bad.
If you have that option, why you play Black box?. Only to blame people who think that is not problem with clapomb? Why you are right and why im wrong?

People who only talk when you have good dices or they have bad dices. I prefer talk when i playing, but i understand people who dont talk. He have a bad day, or he are doing other things and dont have time to chat, or simple he dont usually talk because he dont speak english well ( like me hehe ). Thats is ok...but people who dont say nothing all the game, while you are rollings 1s and skulls...and surprise, he fail a dodge or a block, and he start talking about his bad luck, that RNG was broken, that he is the only one with bad luck, the rest of us are luckers. He win because he is good, the rest of us win because we are luckers.

People that canot accept or understand that is a dice-based game. Sometimes you will have great rolls, others a hafling team will destroy you dorf team. Luck is part of the game, and you have to accept it, and you can laugh while you oppo make a long bomb with a mummy, or make a 12+ intercept with a gobbo. One of the best things in fumbbl are the tons of teams and players, and you can see things that you canot see in a local league, because here are tons of games. And if you oppo make a -3d pows and kill you st5 CW with a gobo...is still funny!!
Why is only funny when you do it?

I understand that if you have a bad row of games, you will be a bit angry, and you want to blame you rolls and nuffle, but is not your oppo fault, so is not reason to call you oppo lucker or pass all game whining.

To reach a conclusion, for me there is not problem with clawpombs or min/max. The only problem in black box are some people.

To finish this looong entry, i have to say.....this is only my opinion, maybe im right, maybe im wrong, not try to change the opinions of the rest of fumbblers. Only want to say what i think about it.

So now, you can blame me all you want...if you read all, you are entitled to do it :D
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Comments
Posted by Tesifonte on 2012-02-22 15:26:42
...jobar colega.
Posted by blader4411 on 2012-02-22 15:27:52
PONIES RULE!
Posted by Lill-Leif on 2012-02-22 15:31:31
omg wall of text.
Posted by Calcium on 2012-02-22 15:36:24
Have you ever 'milked' a stallion blader?
Posted by pythrr on 2012-02-22 15:44:50
YES
Posted by Woodstock on 2012-02-22 16:02:26
You lost the argument when you said BLOODbowl. Thanks for posting tho ;)
Posted by Beerox on 2012-02-22 16:57:44
It's a strange thing to enjoy playing against minmax...
Posted by Favalessa on 2012-02-22 17:03:01
Right from beginning to end.....
Posted by Malmir on 2012-02-22 20:44:10
I stopped reading when you said clawpomb was fine. How often do you see a team playing against clawpomb destroy it purely by rolling 10+ as you said clawpomb teams do?
Posted by Leilond on 2012-02-22 21:04:35
POMB is broken, completely.
But I do not blame people that do not recognize it... there is ranked and you can play it
I play both ranked and box... using skaven... you can easly guess how many times I had to rebuild my rats, or retire and restart from beginning
But POMB is broken... being able to reroll an injury roll with a +1 is broken... I think that simply making the MB bonus unusable on the PO reroll, will be enough to make it fair and balanced. I relly sure of this... but as you say, it's not a problem
WHFB is unbalanced
WH40K is balanced
Elfball is unbalanced (but not so much)
All the games based on different races with different powers are little unbalanced. If you don't like to use the "weak" race, I really don't understand why you play it
Posted by Leilond on 2012-02-22 21:04:35
POMB is broken, completely.
But I do not blame people that do not recognize it... there is ranked and you can play it
I play both ranked and box... using skaven... you can easly guess how many times I had to rebuild my rats, or retire and restart from beginning
But POMB is broken... being able to reroll an injury roll with a +1 is broken... I think that simply making the MB bonus unusable on the PO reroll, will be enough to make it fair and balanced. I relly sure of this... but as you say, it's not a problem
WHFB is unbalanced
WH40K is balanced
Elfball is unbalanced (but not so much)
All the games based on different races with different powers are little unbalanced. If you don't like to use the "weak" race, I really don't understand why you play it
Posted by GAZZATROT on 2012-02-22 21:26:33
I've really enjoyed reading your trilogy (although this may have been the weakest)... Any chance of some more thoughts?

Your use of English is charming as is your spelling "juggi/diferents/aceppt" spring to mind. :)
Posted by Corvidius on 2012-02-23 20:22:11
I agree with everything said in this blog.
Posted by madbone on 2012-02-28 14:29:51
I do not enjoy playing with clawpomb. I have ever had 1 player with it (still). It detracts from my enjoyment of skill or tactics remaining in the game.
I care little playing against it unless the coach plays only games with such teams while he complains if the opponant is not destroyed. The main reason I think people use clawpomb is the same that specs are drawn to those games - gaining pleasure from others loses rather than their gains.