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2010-11-09 00:18:12
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2010-11-09 00:18:12
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Thread locking
I wanna talk a little about my personal attitudes to thread locking and the forums.
The first and most important thing to say is that this is NOT designed to be an attack on the moderators or even an attack on Fumbbl policy. Nor is this a knee jerk reaction to any one thread.
Instead it is a feeling i have had for some time and i figured my blog was a good place to put it.

i have a lot of respect for our current team of monkeys and several of them i would consider to be friends. Some of them have had to deal with me for misbehaviour on the forums over the past year (i'm trying very hard to be good and not to get drawn into flamewars these days) and they have been nothing short of profesional and fair.
It is partly because of this respect that i feel that i am able to raise a disagreement with current policy and put forward my views. With mods in the past i would not have felt at ease doing this.

I feel that over the past year or so (forgive me for being lazy but i couldn't be bothered to go back and check exactly how long) there has been an increase in thread lockings and i havn't always agreed with the reasons for doing so.

It's no secret that i enjoy the entertainment provided by the more controvercial/ argumentative threads but i genuinely do believe that there is an important place for these within the forums and as part of forming the comunity. Without debate and passion a comunity becomes dull and stale. If debate is stifled unnecesserily we end up with forums that are filled with endless "i rolled a double 6, should i take leader?" topics and little else.
No i do not think that the forums should be unmoderated and i do not think that we should all be alowed to insult each other as much as we like and yes i am well aware that i have over stepped the mark on many occasions. I just feel that maybe there are alternatives to locking.
Shadow notably often warns people in topics to clean it up or risk the topic being closed but i'd personaly like to see an extension of this.
When individuals overstep the mark i'd like to see them recieve a warning and/ or have their posts edited. If they continue then give them a ban from teh forums. it does not have to nessesitate the whole forum being closed. I realise this may involve a little more work for the volunteers who man this site. i'm hoping that some of them may agree that it's worth it.
Equaly there is often a feeling of "i don't think theres any more to be said so all move along now" in some lockings. In some cases this is undoubtably true and plenty of topics end up going round and round in circles but if they are not in breach of the rules why end them. If they're dull they WILL die out quickly. If they carry on then they serve some perpose even if its just a source of mindless escapism for the contributers (isn't that why we're all here?). Locking them does not seem to serve an obvious perpose to me.

If it is official policy then so be it. If individual mods disagree with me then thats cool. I will (try to) obey the rules laid down. I just think that the overall comunity suffers a little each time a thread is locked when other tactics may have worked.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this. I hope it doesn't come accross as whiney/ mindless criticism.


Incidentally i was right about the comunity not disolving into annarchy with the removal of SwearBot ;P
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Posted by Jeffro on 2010-11-09 00:47:33
Whiny and mindless?!?... nah...

Narcisstic and wordy?!?... totally. ;)
Posted by Prinz on 2010-11-09 00:52:09
tl;dr, locking this blog!
Posted by BiggieB on 2010-11-09 01:44:18
pff humbug all lies!!! I know for a fact that you frequently file tickets against mods and try to abuse them at every turn. Some of your tickets even found their way towards christer...

Posted by EvolveToAnarchism on 2010-11-09 04:02:44
Brilliant post. But one small correction. The community didn't evolve to anarchy with the removal of SwearBot, but it made one small step forward.
Posted by Malmir on 2010-11-09 07:38:26
You shouldn't take leader on a double six...
Posted by Nielsh on 2010-11-09 10:32:04
I was sad when the forum thread about Lammer wizards was locked :(
Posted by Cloggy on 2010-11-09 16:09:59
Hmm, criticism like this needs some more foundation than you've provided.

I don't browse the forum all that often, but I can't say I've noticed a trend toward locking more threads, and certainly not a trend toward locking threads that should have remained open.
Posted by PeteW on 2010-11-09 20:12:31
/me waves his shorts of power around

Eat my shorts, paulhicks!!! :P

Perhaps we should create a "Pointless Forum Topics" subfolder, which doesn't flash up on the recent forum topics list. then bored people can seek escapism all they like!

Also, if we (mods) started EDITING posts, we would get way way way more flamed than simply locking them!!!

(Plus I think more people agree than disagree with me on the recent lockage.)
Posted by asharak on 2010-11-09 22:13:12
/me looks at 'Off Topic'
/me thinks about 'Pointless Forum Topics'

Seems pretty close to me ;)

And put your shorts back on Pete!

[though aye, I wasn't upset to see that one close... had been interesting for a while though! Editing also bad in general... can cause so many problems :/]
Posted by Ancre on 2010-11-09 22:45:18
Nice blog post ! But don't be so dismissive to "I rolled a double 6, should I take leader?" topics, they can be a whole lot of fun too. I believe you should, but diving catch is better. Anyways, anything but the other alternative, who needs +stats after all :D
Posted by bobafettsmum on 2010-11-10 13:04:58
Here! Here! Rated 6. Do we have any female mods that can take their pants off and swing them round!!!??? ;)
Posted by Wreckage on 2010-11-10 19:03:50
why was the thread locked? I don't understand... the conversation was considerabily civilized... it's instituionalized crime to forcefully shut people up.
Posted by paulhicks on 2010-11-10 22:36:15
Pete i totally understand where you're comming from about risking more public flaming by editing posts (a couple of other mods have said this too) and the last thing i want to do is cause trouble for any mod.

However if a thread is getting out of hand and you have to edit a post and add in "this post was edited due to breaking the fumbbl rules (link)" please feel free to post again to make your point in a more polite way. Further incidents will result in thread locking and/ or a possible ban" ... (or something like that anyway) im sure the majority of people would be totaly behind that.

Its really not a huge deal (just like my posts against the swearbot wern't) but i felt it would be a good way to go to keep discussion on fumbbl both livley and within the boundaries laid down by yourselves and Christer.
Its just my personal belief that the more reasonable debate and discussion the better. I am still humble enough to know that my opinion isnt necesserily right :D

I should point out to everyone that this post was NOT directed at pete. I started writing it a few months ago and the recent thread that he locked simply reminded me to finish it. Pete is a great admin and despite the fact with have yet to meet in rl one of teh nicest guys i've ever spoken to (hes also the only person luckier than me on the pitch).
Posted by Were_M_Eye on 2010-11-11 00:24:53
@Wreckage. I belive when Silly insinuated that Dominik was the same guy as the pedo was the thing that pushed it over the edge.

I realy liked the dice hack thread and was a bit sad when is was locked. My first reaction was "what a booring adimn", but to be fair PeteW had posted a warning in the thread and the tread was mostly trolling and flaming. So it was a good call by PeteW.
Posted by Macavity on 2010-11-17 04:38:45
Swearbot is gone????? But...... I've been workign so hard on my 'new words' Damn it, Paul!