Deth
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Apr 17, 2003 - 06:48 |
 
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OK, a couple of quick points:
1. I've not played a single game of Javabowl as yet, but I've been playing Bloodbowl for a fair while. This means I might be mistaken about some game mechanics, feel free to correct me.
2. 'Basher' teams kinda rely on getting their opponent on the ground to win. Especially in the early stages, before you get some specialised players developed. Anything that achieves this aim is playing to their strengths. Personally, I foul whenever I can. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic for me: less people on the field means that when I pick up the ball and fail for the third time in a row it doesn't mean an automatic TD against me.
Did I mention how much I love to hate playing Chaos teams when it comes to actually playing the ball? : )
3. The whole 'No SPP for casualties by dirty player' thing removes one of the major incentives to foul for me: I kinda like it, it stops Dirty Player being my skill of choice to develop a player. That alone moves fouling waaaaay down my priority list.
4. I will always be upfront about my homicidal tendancies. If you don't want to play me because of it, fine, that's your call. I'm probably going to call you a coward & a daisy sniffing elf-pansy, but hey... you deserved it for playing such a fruity team in the first place : ). But you will never come into a match against me without knowing that I'm going to do my level best to annihilate your team.
5. I may not be a bad coach, but I play one on TV.
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cjohnsto
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Apr 17, 2003 - 07:02 |
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OK assuming they get spps faster. The problem is money. We cant afford to replace all the members. You lose players much slower so you have the cash for instant replacements. Perhaps if your players were a bit more expensive it would help even that out. |
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Mr-Klipp
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 17, 2003 - 08:15 |
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But here is the thing. You can't expect bashy players not to bash just because you have low av and expensive players. Unless you want to be expected not to pass, dodge, and outrun the bashy coaches because they have low movement and agility. You pay for your scoring skills with vulnerabilities. Don't like the high player cost? Play humans. Oh, they don't have ag 4? Tough. This game is about tradeoffs, you don't get to take the fast lightly armored team then bitch when people beat on you, just as we don't get to bitch about you dodging away and passing the ball over our heads. |
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Apr 17, 2003 - 08:40 |
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I see nothing wrong with fouling, even if it is a second half 8th turn foul. It's a crappy thing to do to someone, but the game is called Blood Bowl after all. Stomping the guts out of one of your opponent's players brings such satisfaction, especially after the dice have hated you for the entire match, resulting in your defeat.
There are a lot of crybabies and whiners who get all upset when I do this.
Just remember something: It's just a game and there are no rules being broken when the fouls are made, so suck it up!! Crybaby.
I know this view is looked down upon by many people here, but so what. If you don't like it, don't play me. Even though playing me will most likely result in a victory for you and an overflowing serious injury box in my dugout.
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Glorfindel
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Apr 17, 2003 - 11:23 |
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Just my two cents in that.
Im the coach of several teams, including a woodie one (the Mirkwood BC). That team is currently near TR 300 (in fact it passed below 300 on last game, 3 deaths from undead). I played against Orcs, Norse (the old ones, with the berserker), Chaos, Dwarfs and Undead. I never had big guys into that team. They played somewhat like 25-30 games, losing three and drawing four. They always fouled when possible, often 16 times at a match. I got two dirty players. They are (together with a wardancer 4ST Frenzy) my most valuable killers. In fact, they are my only chance to retaliate against stronger teams brutes. Yes, I can flee and score touchdowns so fast Orcs will never see them, but I can also take on a chaos team and eradicate it from the world. I will always do the last turn foul, and rejoice when an opponent is slain (more than when its only injured). Take the armour. Woodie armour is 7. Dwarf armour is 9. Ogre's is 10. But a well planned foul can annihilate the difference. Of course, fouls must be planned, exactly as TDs or throws. So, do not say foulers are bad coaches, as fouling without sense will only lead to players expelled or left alone.
And a small advice to elven coaches: if they dont reach you, they cannot foul you.
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Mr-Klipp
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Apr 17, 2003 - 11:27 |
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Exactly. Most of the complaints here, and in the thread about bashy teams beating on the poor elves come down to one thing. People want to have their cake and eat it too. If you take the tradeoff of speed and agility for weak armor, expect people to exploit your weakness, just as you exploit the bashy teams lack of speed. If you take all passing skills, don't complain when then opponent has some bashing skills and DP and you don't. You cannot expect people to only play the game in a way that plays to your strengths and ignores your weaknesses. To do so is just poor tactics. |
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psikobunny
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Apr 17, 2003 - 12:48 |
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Let's make all the teams the same, except with different names, then no one can whine. |
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BadMrMojo
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Apr 17, 2003 - 16:37 |
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| Mr-Klipp wrote: | | Exactly. Most of the complaints here, and in the thread about bashy teams beating on the poor elves come down to one thing. People want to have their cake and eat it too. |
For the record, my personal complaint is that the whole league is dominated by bashy teams. I don't mind getting bashed occasionally (or even frequently. I'm kinky like that), it's just incredibly boring and a little frustrating to have it happen every single game.
The Open League format (which I do love and appreciate, nonetheless. This isn't that infernal 'Challenge' thread...) is a lot like baseball season. It goes on indefinitely, and losing a few games really doesn't matter much. It makes it a lot easier to advance your team by not even bothering with the ball (except when you're out of blocks and have already used your blitz, so you may as well do something...) and just trying to decimate your opponents for fun and SPPs. A lot of people then seem to go even further and forget about the whole SPP thing altogether. Don't get me wrong, I can see the fun in playing Warhammer and crushing your enemies and seeing them driven before you (etc..), but why do it on a bloodbowl pitch (particularly when it's well past the point of being even remotely different or interesting)?
Oh. Yeah. Because there's not a free Java client to do so.
I don't expect everyone to suddenly stop playing their undwarfchaorseorks or anything. In fact, that's the last thing I want. I'd just like it if some people would actually try something else occasionally.
How many people have 3 open league teams that resemble the following:
| Code: | Undead
Orc
more Undead |
or maybe the popular variant
Do you have your 3 divX teams, as well?
Just try something different. You might actually enjoy playing the game more than bitching about people's lucky armor rolls.
ps. On topic: Yeah, fouling is a part of the game. If I roll 3 blitzes in a row, I'll likely not bother doing any on the 3rd. Why? Sportsmanship. Look it up. If someone is in your way and preventing you from making a play or poses a serious threat to your players, then go ahead and foul them. If you want to do it just because you like seeing imaginary pixelated people get greased, go back to playing Half-Life. The last thing I need is some 13 year old telling me I've been 0wnz0z0rd. It's just pathetic. |
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bearclaw
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Apr 18, 2003 - 15:15 |
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| Quote: | | The last thing I need is some 13 year old telling me I've been 0wnz0z0rd. It's just pathetic. |
hahaha  why I stopped playing counter-strike... |
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Zhluhur
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May 05, 2003 - 15:52 |
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I play Bloodbowl since 5 Yeas now making a pause of 2, and last Month I found the JavaClient and this league here. After reading the LRB I was shocked that fouling is that difficult after all. No CAS Points? IGMEOY? Bahhh... this is B L O O D bowl! And not Woman-Tennis. Read the Deathzone Book and you'll find that they glorify Casulties! Cause it is a freakin' bloody bonebreaking Game! Thats why I play it! It has "nearly" no rules on the field.
I have a Halfling Team, on Woody Team, 2 Dwarf Teams and Chaos Team off-line. And I never cryied when my 120.000 50> SPP Wardancer dies just only why 6 Goblins are aroud him. I have to fear about my player the whole game, but I kick my opponets ass when I got my 4th Touchdown.
On the other hand, my Chaos Team has only won a couple of games, cause sometimes the team just drops the ball to stump on a skavens head. Even when it is in Round 16.
When I play a Chaos Team, I play it like a Chaos team. Means my Warriors don't let a chance go to collect bones or soules for their gods.
Its like in a role play game. Have you ever tried to talk to a Chaos Warrior not to kill you and your family and the hole City if he had the chance to do so?
Wood Elf: "Pleeeease Mr.Chaos Warrior, do not foul, its Turn 16... its unfair..."
Warrior: "Muhahahahah... *(BASH)* *stomp stomp stomp* Eat this! You elven crap, Blood for the Bloodgod!"
THATS playing Bloodbowl.
My Elven Wardancer laugh about this clumsy slow Warriors when they scored TD No 4 in first Half...
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absentmind
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May 05, 2003 - 17:00 |
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| Zhluhur wrote: |
Wood Elf: "Pleeeease Mr.Chaos Warrior" |
lol
Fouling is good in any case, except for:
- 8th turn of second half
- when the opponent has 3 players on the pitch and youre leading 3-0 etc.
Bashy teams must live up to their name. They _must_ bash to win games, though i hate chaos people who dont bother with the ball. Elves can dodge, make a long pass and catch and most importantly, score in 1-2 turns, which is a major advantage over the bashy teams. Each team has its strengths and weaknesses. Bashy teams cannot just abandon bashing because it's their way of winning, and their way of playing Blood Bowl. |
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Emberglow
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May 05, 2003 - 17:41 |
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in this game, the division between running teams and bashing teams is pretty obvious. bashers are not likely to win against runners if they don't beat the crap out of those fast buggers. if this can only be accomplished by fouling, then why not. as earlier stated, extensive fouling may result in metagame results, as refusing to play against the fouling player. that's equally acceptable. this may cause the players dividing into 2 leagues, however, into those that don't mind fouling and those whit sportmanslike attitude. how this affects the gaming here, i cannot say, since i'm fresh out of oven and still wet behind my ears.
just wanted to contribut, that's all |
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BadMrMojo
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May 05, 2003 - 20:24 |
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I would cordially request that people stop doing 2 things:
1) No more saying, "The name of the game is BLOODbowl, people, c'mon!" for the following reasons:
- It is really tiresome.
- Everyone has said it a million times in defense of their cleverly named team, "The All-Frenzy/PO/RSC Marauders". We got the point.
- It's still not a valid argument becuase you could just as easily say, "This is bloodBOWL, people! Try picking up the damn ball occasionally!"
There is room for both bashers and players. There should be both. I personally think there should be some sort of a balance between the two, but that's apparently just me. I do know, however that everybody should knock off the whining, including (especially) me.
2) Nevermind number two. It was just plain rude. Go back and read #1 again. |
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Darkwolf
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May 05, 2003 - 22:52 |
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Thank you, Mr. Mojo for the comments. After seeing the reminders as to the name of the game (duh I can read) I see coaches here justifying their poor behaviour and poor tactics. If fouling is part of the game, then why is there a chance your player gets ejected from the game? No other action is Blood bowl results in a player being removed off the pitch via a non injury or coach’s decision. Sportsmanship takes place in all levels of sport and games. Pro’s have sportsmanship, youth leagues, etc. all practise and use sportsmanship. You do not run up the score, you do not steal a base when up by 9 runs, you do not kick a field goal up by 21 with 26 seconds left in the game. All of this is common sense and is known by everyone here in this forum. Why is it not practised here in this game? -because it has the word ‘blood’ in the title? Give me a break. You coaches know who you are, I challenge you to take lessons on how to win games, be a good sportsman to get more games in the future, and to win games through blocking and passing and GOOD tactics. You may be surprised you like the game a lot more. |
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Mr-Klipp
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May 05, 2003 - 23:24 |
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There is a reason the name gets pointed out time and time again. It seems that a certain group of people, many of which play elves, feel wronged when their weaker and more agile teams get bashed. The come up with a great many reasons why it is wrong to do so, leading on the the opinion that they must be under the mistaken assumption that this a game of football in the park. The name argument is usually directed at those people who seem to be against the very bashing that is part of the game. Whining that certain tactics are not "good" simply because you do not like to use them (or as is more often the case, do not like them used against you) is childish. |
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