Mossbeard
Joined: Jul 03, 2005
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Dec 17, 2013 - 02:52 |
 
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I think that the only racial bias was to prevent mirror matches, now that has been removed.
Thanks Christer for the changes, I am looking forward to some Box matches with juicy handicaps. |
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keggiemckill
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
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Dec 17, 2013 - 03:33 |
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| pythrr wrote: | Will be watching closely to see who smallman's pact get under the new matching rules.  |
This is a great initiative Christer. This will help everyone get fair games. The Min Max'ers can now get their just deserts, covered in whip cream, chocolate fudge, and (/me hopes) a cherry on top. |
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Igvy
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:00 |
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Wow, days of the old box are dead.
I'll be curious how this is taken.
I do fear you've just encouraged the creation of a new team every 20-30 games. |
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The_Murker
Joined: Jan 30, 2011
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:10 |
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I'm guessing that some modification to the match 'suitability' is still applied based on the races of the teams.
Perhaps if Claw and PO are nerfed, people might next exploit low TV amazons for wins. Maybe then we might see a removal of the racial modifiers, and let dwarves take care of the problem.
Spamming dwarves? CLAW + MB still effective. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:12 |
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and to be honest, a mb/tackler plays havoc with zonz, and it's not so hard to get one or two on most teams |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:31 |
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| Igvy wrote: | | I do fear you've just encouraged the creation of a new team every 20-30 games. |
I just had that thought too!
What if I make a new team after 14 games, will I ever meet cpomb? |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:36 |
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If not meeting Clawpomb is that important to you, it would seem like [B] is not the division for you
But the fact that these thoughts are already popping up nicely illustrates the fact that no matter how much Christer tries to fix things, his user base will always come up with new ways to game the system.
I'm sure the clawpomb and amazon minmaxers will show us how to to break this new system within weeks! |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Dec 17, 2013 - 08:48 |
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| Cloggy wrote: | If not meeting Clawpomb is that important to you, it would seem like [B] is not the division for you
But the fact that these thoughts are already popping up nicely illustrates the fact that no matter how much Christer tries to fix things, his user base will always come up with new ways to game the system.
I'm sure the clawpomb and amazon minmaxers will show us how to to break this new system within weeks! |
I'm not saying I will do this, but some people may do.
And I don't really see a problem with it tbh, it just means that as long as you have less than 15 games played you will always be scheduled against other "less than 15 games"-teams.
Like a new kind of rookie rumble...  |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:14 |
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its ok. the whole point of this is to see if it works, and then to fix anything that still needs fixing
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:19 |
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| Cloggy wrote: | If not meeting Clawpomb is that important to you, it would seem like [ B] is not the division for you
But the fact that these thoughts are already popping up nicely illustrates the fact that no matter how much Christer tries to fix things, his user base will always come up with new ways to game the system.
I'm sure the clawpomb and amazon minmaxers will show us how to to break this new system within weeks! |
Christer has proposed a two (at least) part solution but only part of it has been implemented.
Hopefully fear of not being official won't scupper the rest.
Of course people will play 14 games and reset. The average team only plays around five games so 14 is a bit optimistic really. 
Previously you were looking at meeting a 1400 killer. Now if the worst comes to the worst it could be a 2000 killer.
Yet strangely so many people still want to stick with the official rules.
The official rules were not designed for TV marching for sure. But when they said perpetual league I don't know how many 100 game teams they really tested. I doubt that they tested any 1000 game teams. |
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bigGuy
Joined: Sep 21, 2009
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:21 |
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Christer> Is it possible to list all matches that could not happen with older sheduler, but happened now? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:23 |
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Dunenzed
Joined: Oct 28, 2011
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:29 |
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A great endorsement of the new system.
In terms of additional anecdotal evidence I did see a game today Chaos vs Chaos with one team about 1980TV, the other 1580. The lower TV team conceded at the start of turn 3 I think it was, once he lost his Cpomb beastman to a SI (-ma). The team in question was then retired.
Whether this is an endorsement or a failure of the new system depends on your point I suppose. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:47 |
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| Dunenzed wrote: |
A great endorsement of the new system.
In terms of additional anecdotal evidence I did see a game today Chaos vs Chaos with one team about 1980TV, the other 1580. The lower TV team conceded at the start of turn 3 I think it was, once he lost his Cpomb beastman to a SI (-ma). The team in question was then retired.
Whether this is an endorsement or a failure of the new system depends on your point I suppose. |
Though these are not the chaos that we are looking for. 1900+ and not a single CPOMBer. 
Ooh, that is early concession. Worthy of admin attention?
They have recovered from their bad start
Go dem humaaaaanz!!!!! |
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Kondor
Joined: Apr 04, 2008
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Dec 17, 2013 - 09:48 |
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These changes are wonderful. I prefer scheduling changes to rules changes.
I do wonder what will happen when the WMDs draw a team that comes in with -200 TV. That could get ugly really quickly.
The problem is that there are a lot of people who have come to love to use the CPOMB. Hitting it with the NERF bat will see a similar reaction to when the DP was hit. Some teams simply need a reliable way to remove a couple of players from the pitch to be competitive.
For me, the effect would be that my bashing teams would quit taking PO and start taking guard. Still spamming MB and Claw.
Still, well done. I have enjoyed my first 3 matches with this system. |
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