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| What do you think of Coach Ratings |
| Just a number of useless meaning ??? |
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8% |
[ 7 ] |
| Just an Ego Issue for some Coaches ??? |
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62% |
[ 49 ] |
| Just causes more Cherrypicking ??? |
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29% |
[ 23 ] |
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| Total Votes : 79 |
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ex-convict
Joined: Jun 28, 2005
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May 28, 2006 - 02:40 |
 
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My cr is at 152 and my win percentage is around 43...does this mean I'm a bad coach? Not at all, it simply means that some of my early teams and experiments went awfully wrong. Take my 2/2/17 human team for example. If that team wasn't part of my record, my % would change dramaticaly. My Cr is low since I just wouldn't give up on my 7/7/17 darkies. Basicaly, people could look at my CR and % and underestimate me, so perhaps I should keep them where they are  |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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May 28, 2006 - 14:19 |
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| MightyQ wrote: | | ... and one coach over 165 was only at 51%... |
I'm quite close to this as my CR is currently just over 164, while my win rate is at 52%. Some contributory factors to this might be: I have an all-Zombie team (which also doesn't foul) in [U] (they are 2/1/7), and some other silly teams there as well; I have a team which follows very silly rules in [R] itself at the moment; I had a Dwarf team in [R] which suffered 3 permanent injuries in its first match - but I carried on with them (now retired though); I do sometimes play good coaches, and do sometimes then win - boosting my CR. And there are lots of other things as well.
So, CR and win rate just show you aspects of a complex picture. If I ran nothing but 'zons, Orcs and CDs I would probably have a) died of boredom by now, and b) got a CR over 170 and a much higher win rate before I passed away.
If you want to examine a team's record more closely, don't forget that you can look at the team's stats page (coach result stats were disabled, team stats were not), which will give you an idea of how often and by how much they have played up/down in TR/TS, as well of the mix of opponents they have faced. |
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Fama
Joined: Feb 09, 2005
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May 28, 2006 - 14:34 |
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You're forgetting something here. If some coaches play up, because they trust in their skills and know they can win, it shows up in the other coaches' stats as cherrypicking, although he didn't do anything. If someone plays up, there will always be someone who plays down. |
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FischerKing
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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May 28, 2006 - 15:59 |
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| stormknight wrote: | | Don't take CR seriusly... Look at my CR and my win% and you get the picture. |
And as far as I can see, you wonn a smack recently |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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May 28, 2006 - 17:02 |
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I can't believe 55 people voted in this poll. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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May 29, 2006 - 09:52 |
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I know one coach rated over 177 currently and at Win percentage of 51%.
He should be flamed:
boooooo you boooooooo
I won't name it but a pie for the guy finding who it is.
Maybe could he even explain how to reach that CR while winning so few? |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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May 29, 2006 - 10:26 |
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Just a few notes before I go to bed...
| Thomcat wrote: | | Because the are way for an average coach to become 17X+ CR - just by playing new norse, dwarf and amazon teams - and then retire them after 4-7 games. They even get the bonus of it mostly being newcommers that will play them hehe |
thomcat!!! no!...who would ever do something as despicable as that?....
| PurpleChest wrote: | | If Cr becomes Official Tourneys only it means the meta game becomes 'build the best team for the R tourneys'. |
you say that like it doesn't already happen...i built my cripples *specifically* for the light bracket of the UI...they're purely anti-elfball, and are brutally effective, and they probably would have done better, had i not rolled an entire string of pure crap pushes in the second round against a solid zon team....i also know other coaches who have bumrushed making a team to get them built from TR100 for specific tournies, XFL being a major one...
as for comparing CR to win/loss ratio, it's a highly inaccurate thing to compare....
example....
say a coach has a 500 win, 1500 loss record, giving him a 25% win/loss record....now...let's also say, for argument's sake that this coach has a CR of 130...
now, let's say this coach plays 500 games ina row, and wins every single one of them....so he ends up with a 1000 win, 1500 loss record...effectively a 40% record...
now, obviously, if a coach on here wins 500 matches in a row, they're CR is going to be astronomical...it's common, that under the right circumstances, a winning coach can jump 10 CR in less than 10 games...but let's say for arguments sake, that his CR bumps to 160....so you have a 160 CR coach with a 40% win/loss record...
see what i'm getting at?
CR doesn't care how many wins or losses you have...it's going to fluctuate based simply on the game at hand, and based simply on those parameters given(CR vs CR difference, TR/TS difference, etc etc)...your win loss percentage is going to fluctuate *only* on whether you win/lose/tie...
additionally....your CR can fluctuate drastically from one day to the next, depending on how games go....it takes considerably more time to affect your win/loss percentage, especially if you're an established regular of the site with 300, 400, 500+ games under their belt...
does that kinda help explain how some coaches have high CR with crappy % rankings a little?
oh, one last thing....
| sk8bcn wrote: | I know one coach rated over 177 currently and at Win percentage of 51%.
He should be flamed:
boooooo you boooooooo
I won't name it but a pie for the guy finding who it is.
Maybe could he even explain how to reach that CR while winning so few? |
actually....His win/loss record is 44%
i'd like my in lemon meringue please
--j |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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May 29, 2006 - 10:46 |
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| shadow46x2 wrote: | | sk8bcn wrote: | I know one coach rated over 177 currently and at Win percentage of 51%.
He should be flamed:
boooooo you boooooooo
I won't name it but a pie for the guy finding who it is.
Maybe could he even explain how to reach that CR while winning so few? |
actually....His win/loss record is 44%
i'd like my in lemon meringue please
--j |
yarrrrr, and I always tought that I was the lowest win percentage coach and high CR.
I take my hat off to Vanguard. Well done. |
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OverDose
Joined: Apr 07, 2005
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May 29, 2006 - 10:48 |
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He is not the only major Cherrypicker. There's a 180+ coach with a similar syndrome. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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May 29, 2006 - 11:00 |
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| OverDose wrote: | | He is not the only major Cherrypicker. There's a 180+ coach with a similar syndrome. |
what do you mean? Low win % and high CR.
Are these guys obvious cherrypickers or what?  |
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OverDose
Joined: Apr 07, 2005
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May 29, 2006 - 11:05 |
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No. I didn't mean that. Vanguards win % is so sucky because he was a CR 137 coach for 300 matches or so (look at his development).
The coach I'm talking about has a win % of 68. |
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Flix
Joined: Oct 26, 2003
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May 29, 2006 - 11:22 |
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win% make no difference if you win against a bb beginner or a top player
CR make the difference
Players with low win% and high CR wont cherrypick |
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OverDose
Joined: Apr 07, 2005
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May 29, 2006 - 11:28 |
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| Flix wrote: | | Players with low win% and high CR wont cherrypick |
That's not true. _Most_ coaches with high CR and low win % either a) have just won a tournament (and thus have a high boost to their CR) or b) play up in CR and/or in TR/TS almost all the time (rarely the case).
But in some cases, a player with low win % and high CR will Cherry pick.
Flix, if you play 300 matches and lose 290 of them, and then start Cherry picking and win a lot (say 70 % of your matches) for 700 matches, what's your win % then?
50 % |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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May 29, 2006 - 11:47 |
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| OverDose wrote: | | Flix wrote: | | Players with low win% and high CR wont cherrypick |
That's not true. _Most_ coaches with high CR and low win % either a) have just won a tournament (and thus have a high boost to their CR) or b) play up in CR and/or in TR/TS almost all the time (rarely the case).
But in some cases, a player with low win % and high CR will Cherry pick.
Flix, if you play 300 matches and lose 290 of them, and then start Cherry picking and win a lot (say 70 % of your matches) for 700 matches, what's your win % then?
50 % |
Overdose, I'll gladely "cherrypick" you (since I must be a cherrypicker).
Honestly, my win percentage of 51% comes from
a) the fact I like to play vs high ranked coaches. Beeing asked by them for a challenge boosts me up.
b) but the true reason is that I play mostely not in R, and in many different ways. I play stunty for fun, played with teams in tournaments so sucky that I am sometimes ashamed by how I develloped them. honestly, playing in R is somehow different from the rest. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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May 29, 2006 - 11:54 |
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| OverDose wrote: | Flix, if you play 300 matches and lose 290 of them, and then start Cherry picking and win a lot (say 70 % of your matches) for 700 matches, what's your win % then?
50 % |
Just a question? What made that 3.33% games won guy a 70% wins guy? He really would need to have gotten god's blessing or cherrypick the pure noob never played guy.
I also can create exemples that doesn't exist:
What would be that CR and win percentage of that coach that always beats CR 170 coach and never win vs 130 and less ranked.
Or that guy that never wins in R but wins 100% of his games in U and plays 9 times in U for 1 game in R.
Vanguard however has a specific profile. He won smacks. Question is, can he stay at his ranking or not? |
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