cjohnsto
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 04, 2003 - 03:47 |
 
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My opponent failed HG and then rerolled, it looks like he failed but then he all of a sudden passed. Below is the part of the log with it.
Ball placed at (20, 7)
Kickoff Roll (2+4) = Bad Kick
Kick result. Direction: 8 Distance: 5
Ball placed at (20, 7)
Ball moved to ( 15, 7 )
Scatter roll: 7
Touchback!!
Waiting for Blood Suckers Dry to give the ball to a member of their team on the field.
Ball in play.
Waiting for Blood Suckers Dry to finish TURN: 1
103: Select an action for Karasthan
Select an action for Karasthan
103: tackle zone state changed to true
Normal move selected.
103 moved (MP) to ( 14, 0 )
103 moved (MP) to ( 13, 0 )
103 moved (MP) to ( 12, 0 )
103 moved (MP) to ( 11, 0 )
103 moved (MP) to ( 10, 0 )
103 moved (MP) to ( 9, 0 )
Verified Opponent Roll = 4
(4) Go for it successful.
103 moved (MP) to ( 8, 1 )
Verified Opponent Roll = 4
(4) Go for it successful.
103 moved (MP) to ( 7, 1 )
Move ended for Karasthan
112: Select an action for Dirio
Select an action for Dirio
112: tackle zone state changed to true
Normal move selected.
Verified Opponent Roll = 1
HYPNOTIC GAZE
AG= 2 Roll= 1
HYPNOTIC GAZE FAILS.
Team re-roll used.
Verified Opponent Roll = 2
1: tackle zone state changed to false
HYPNOTIC GAZE
AG= 2 Roll= 1
HYPNOTIC GAZE FAILS.HYPNOTIC GAZE SUCCEEDS!
Move ended for Dirio
105: Select an action for Asmodeon
Select an action for Asmodeon
107: Select an action for Quenestil
Select an action for Quenestil
107: tackle zone state changed to true
4 blocked.
Block selected.
Verified Opponent Roll = POW
- 6 -
POW
Move ended for Quenestil |
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Thagrot_Stunticrusha
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 04, 2003 - 12:08 |
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How about Hypnotic Gaze succeeding but not giving any benefit when blocking?
Here is what happened in my last game. A Vampire confronts two ST3 players - he declares a blitz and uses Hypnotic Gaze on one player lending an assist which succeeds and (supposedly) removes that player's tackle zone. He then blocks the other player. Now a ST4 Vampire blocking a ST3 player with no assists should mean the Vampire gets two block dice. I only got one. This happened a second time later in the same game to the same Vampire, again whilst blitzing. The sections from the log are included below.
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Select an action for Asiman
2: Select an action for Asiman
2: tackle zone state changed to true
Blitz selected.
2 moved (MP) to ( 7, 6 )
2 moved (MP) to ( 7, 7 )
2 moved (MP) to ( 8, 8 )
SKILL SELECTED: hypnotic gaze
SKILL SELECTED: hypnotic gaze
108: tackle zone state changed to false
HYPNOTIC GAZE
AG= 4 Roll= 6
HYPNOTIC GAZE SUCCEEDS!
SKILL SELECTED:
101 blocked.
- 2 -
Blood of the Innocent , Choose a block die.
- 1 -
1 db Block re-rolled.
Team re-roll used.
SKULL
Asiman is knocked over.
Move ended for Asiman
(5, 1), (0, 0) + 0, 0: Asiman has been knocked prone.
2: status changed from 0 to 1.
108: tackle zone state changed to true
Blood of the Innocent turn ended.
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Blood of the Innocent start TURN: 5
[CTRL][ENTER] to end turn.
Or click the turn counter.
Select an action for Asiman
2: Select an action for Asiman
SKILL SELECTED: hypnotic gaze
SKILL SELECTED: hypnotic gaze
2: tackle zone state changed to true
Blitz selected.
108: tackle zone state changed to false
HYPNOTIC GAZE
AG= 4 Roll= 6
HYPNOTIC GAZE SUCCEEDS!
SKILL SELECTED:
2 moved (MP) to ( 4, 11 )
2 moved (MP) to ( 3, 12 )
101 blocked.
- 4 -
Blood of the Innocent , Choose a block die.
PUSHBACK
Player pushed to (4, 14)
101 moved (MP) to ( 4, 14 )
2 moved (MP) to ( 3, 13 )
Move ended for Asiman |
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shabs
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 04, 2003 - 12:21 |
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i dnot know how HG works, but from readingf the rules, all it says is that the hypnotised person loses theirTZ..doesnt say anything about not being able to assist....but i never used HG so i have no idea..just specualting as to what might have happened. |
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Mnemon
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 04, 2003 - 12:48 |
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Correct - Hypnotic Gaze only removes the TZ - a player without TZ still can give assists though.
-Mnemon |
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SkiJunkie
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 04, 2003 - 15:55 |
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I took a look at the code. The player used a team reroll to reroll the hypnotic gaze results. I left out the code that showed the "AG=2 ROLL = ?" results, so it was only showing the results of the reroll, such as "HYPNOTIC GAZE successful!". This should be fixed now in the next release. Thanks for letting me know. |
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SkiJunkie
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 04, 2003 - 16:01 |
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Took a second look. My fix is still good but the problem was a little different.
The player rolled a 1, to you got the AG=2 ROLL=1 message. THen they used a team reroll. You can see they rolled a "2" this time from the "Verified Opponent Roll = 2" line. But the display still shows "AG=2 ROLL=1". So what happened was, I showed the results from the first roll twice. So it looked like the 2nd roll failed because I was showing the results from the first roll, but it did indeed succeed with a 2. Anyway, it should all be fixed next release. |
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Thagrot_Stunticrusha
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 06, 2003 - 15:12 |
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I guess this can be considered the "official" GW stand on the hypnotic gaze and tackle zone question I posed earlier. It comes from Andy Hall at Fanatic Games (well I sent it to him but he didn't leave his name so it may just have been one of his trolls).
From: Fanatic <Fanatic@games-workshop.co.uk>
To: ****************
Subject: RE: Rules Question - Hypnotic Gaze & Assists
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:21:36 +0100
Technically they can give defensive assits as it makes no mention of them
not being able to do this in the description.
> ----------
> From: ****************
> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2003 16:06 PM
> To: Andy Hall
> Subject: Rules Question - Hypnotic Gaze & Assists
>
> Hi
>
> A clarification of the rules if possible. When using Hypnotic Gaze to
> successfully remove a player's tackle zone, does that player then also
> lose the ability to give defensive assists in that turn? My interpretation
> was yes seeing as they are too dazed to stop movement through their former
> tackle zone. There is nothing specific that I could see in the Living
> Rules 2.0 to clarify this.
>
> Thanks |
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