GriffOberwald69
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 07, 2003 - 13:54 |
 
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During my last match Snotti (a mighty goblin) fail to dodge out from a Dwarf longbeard (Tackle) zone . The problem is that the program give immediatly the turnover, without let me use the Team Reroll !.
OK, Takle skill don't let me use the Dodge Reroll, but if I an avaible team reroll why I can't use it ? 
Another one : After a failed catch, the ball scatter and is catch by another member of my team but I have a turnover ! 
Page 14 of LRB 2.0 is stated the there isn't a turnover if the ball at the end of the scatter (evev with trow-in !) is catch by a team member.
Please someone help me, Are these bug or I'm in error ? 
Cheers
Griff |
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Frankenstein
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 07, 2003 - 13:58 |
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| GriffOberwald69 wrote: | During my last match Snotti (a mighty goblin) fail to dodge out from a Dwarf longbeard (Tackle) zone . The problem is that the program give immediatly the turnover, without let me use the Team Reroll !.
OK, Takle skill don't let me use the Dodge Reroll, but if I an avaible team reroll why I can't use it ? |
Sounds as though you had used your RR for that turn already...
| Quote: | Another one : After a failed catch, the ball scatter and is catch by another member of my team but I have a turnover !
Page 14 of LRB 2.0 is stated the there isn't a turnover if the ball at the end of the scatter (evev with trow-in !) is catch by a team member. |
Was it a pass or a hand-off? As far as I know, if it was a hand-off then it is a turnover indeed. |
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Grumbledook
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 07, 2003 - 14:12 |
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wrong mria hand off catches work the same as catching a pass its a turnover based on where it finally ends up
it sounds to me that it was a fumbled throw in which case its a turnover no matter where it ends up
though the first one does sound like you already used a reroll in that turn |
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GriffOberwald69
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 07, 2003 - 15:45 |
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For Mirascael :
Sorry, where do you read the difference between hand-off and pass failed catch ?
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Griiff |
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Lord-Willi
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 08, 2003 - 15:55 |
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I had the same Problem, but it was a failed attempt to pick up the ball.
It landed in the hand of another of my guys and ... Turn-Over
When you pass and fail it's not a turnover if another player catches it ! |
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slackman
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 08, 2003 - 22:01 |
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passing and picking up the ball are different. if you fail the pick up, its a turnover. if you fumble the pass, its a turnover. if you fail the pass but dont fumble and someone ends up w/ the ball, its not a turnover. |
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Twahn
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 12, 2003 - 07:55 |
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The key part of Griff's statement is that the Turnover happened after a 'failed catch'. If a failed throw is caught by someone, it ain't a turnover, but a failed catch that scatters is essentially bouncing rather than just deviating in the air and IS considered a turnover. |
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Xeterog
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 12, 2003 - 08:10 |
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If it was a pass, there is no turnover if the ball ends up in the hands of one of your players. The ball could scatter out of bounds, get thrown in by the crowd, land in an empty square and then bounce to one of your players who catches it--no turnover. Doesn't matter one bit if the ball bounced or not or even if several of your players failed to catch the bouncing ball...as long as one of them ends up with the ball in his possession.
Lets see. Other times you can attempt to catch in your turn..you push someone onto the ball and it bounces to someone on your team--no turnover even if they fail the catch. This would be the same if you knocked the opposing player with the ball down (or out of bounds) and the ball bounced/scattered to one of your players.
Oh, I guess if you fumbled a pass or failed a pick up and the ball bounced to one of your players it would be a catch roll, but still would be a turnover whether one of your players ended up with the ball or not.
Are there other times that the you'd make a catch roll in your turn? (I can't think of any at this moment.... |
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Twahn
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 12, 2003 - 08:57 |
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| GorTeX wrote: | | Lets see. Other times you can attempt to catch in your turn..you push someone onto the ball and it bounces to someone on your team--no turnover even if they fail the catch. This would be the same if you knocked the opposing player with the ball down (or out of bounds) and the ball bounced/scattered to one of your players. |
This parallel is flawed. Following this to it's conclusion, you'd never suffer a turnover for a failed catch at all! |
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Kri
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 12, 2003 - 10:19 |
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A failed catch in itself is NEVER EVER a Turnover.
If you fumbled or failed a pick-up before the catch, that´s what causes the TO.
If you passed (acc. or in-acc.) and fail 1000 catches in a row before you finally succeed it isn´t a Turnover.
What causes a Turnover on a pass (non-fumble) you do, is if the ball ENDs up on the ground or in possession of the opponent.
Therefore, if you knock the ball loose and fail a catch-roll on the scattering ball it isn´t a TO because the failed catch isn´t a TO. |
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Sinner
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 12, 2003 - 10:30 |
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page 8 LRB says:
| Living Rule Book wrote: | Turnovers
Normally, a team turn only ends when all of the players in the team have erformed an action. However, certain events cause the team turn to end efore all of the players have taken an action.These events are called turnovers. The following events cause a turnover:
1. A team is called for illegal procedure and doesn’t have a re-roll counter or
2. A player on the moving team is knocked down or falls over or
3. The ball is passed and not caught by a player from the moving team or
4. A player from the moving team attempts to pick up the ball and fails or
5. A touchdown is scored or
6. The four minute time limit for the turn runs out.
A coach that suffers a turnover must end his turn immediately – even if part way through a player’s action. The only exception to this is that armour rolls and injury must still be made for players that have been knocked over. |
later in the LRB it reads on page 22
| Living Rule Book wrote: |
Fumbles
Sometimes a player attempting to throw the ball will drop it in their own square. This is more likely if the player has any opposing players breathing down his neck! To represent this, if the dice roll for a pass is 1 or less before or after modification, then the thrower has fumbled and dropped the ball. The ball will bounce once from the thrower’s square, and the moving team will suffer a turnover and their team turn ends immediately. |
I hope this clarifies this passing - turnover discussion |
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