Heroic_Tackle
Joined: Nov 05, 2006
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Aug 14, 2020 - 00:29 |
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I am sorry if this was posted already but I just don´t get it. The new rules are meant to buff passing and Throwers, right?
Then why did they introduce this new Wildly Inaccurate result? It seems to me when making a pass that is not a Quick Pass, the chance that something goes horribly wrong increases. It might not be a Fumble, but deviating 1D6 from the Throwers square to me is an additional chance to get a very bad result, an increased chance to fail at passing.
New rules:
Short Pass, bad results 1 + 2.
Long Pass, bad results 1, 2 + 3.
Long Bomb, bad results 1, 2, 3 + 4.
Old rules:
Short Pass, bad results 1.
Long Pass, bad results 1 + 2.
Long Bomb, bad results 1, 2 + 3.
Now, Inaccurate is also a fail, but at least the Pass reaches the target square and scatters. This result while still bad I vastly prefer to a Wildly Inaccurate result.
Regardless what your PA is, the chance for Wildly Inaccurate is the same. That is horrible.
Is a dedicated Thrower with PA+2 now also expected to take Accurate and/or Cannoneer?
It looks to me that Passing got worse, even for Throwers. Passing is not just Quick Pass, Mr. Designer?
Am I understanding it wrong? Am I missing something? Am I overreacting? I don´t understand these rules, that seem to be a buff and a nerf at the same time, compared to the old stuff.
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Uber
Joined: Mar 22, 2004
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Aug 14, 2020 - 00:49 |
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Bad is the new good, didn't you get the memo? |
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steinerp
Joined: Sep 18, 2005
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Aug 14, 2020 - 01:16 |
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Bad passers got better (but still mostly bad), good passers got worse |
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Matthueycamo
Joined: May 16, 2014
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Aug 14, 2020 - 01:41 |
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Most player's passing ability got nerfed, most passing skills got nerfed, the passing table got nerfed. Oh and this new deflecting nonsense making it more risky to throw.
Result nobody passes better than they used to, some are just lucky to pass about as good as before out the box but a developed thrower under the old rules passes better than a developed thrower under the new rules.
Welcome to bashfest 2020. To me at least making passing more viable can't have been a design choice.
ps. elves are screwed. |
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Niessuh
Joined: Dec 11, 2009
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Aug 14, 2020 - 10:51 |
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This is not fantasy football anymore.
This is fantasy rugby now!
Thanks to fumblerooskie and using surehands you could do N [fumblerooskie players] drop the ball plus one hand off per turn. Drop the ball is a move action.
So using two wood elf throwers with fumblerooskie and a catcher, you could easily (2+ pick ball/catch with auto RR) move the ball 22 tiles. Almost the entire BB field length.
Forget about accurate, cannoneer, cloud buster, dumpoff, hail mary pass, pass, running pass, safe pass, diving catch...just need fumblerooskie and sure hands, which is always very helpfull (sacking sacking sacking). |
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Muff2n
Joined: May 20, 2017
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Aug 14, 2020 - 10:59 |
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I agree with you, the implementation of wildly inaccurate is awful. If my maths is correct, it means that any player with PA 2+ can only get accurate, wildly inaccurate or fumble. It is not possible for them to just roll inaccurate! |
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Heroic_Tackle
Joined: Nov 05, 2006
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Aug 14, 2020 - 11:44 |
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Wooow, I can't believe it. If they don't errata that ASAP that is just insane.
They should delete Wildly Inaccurate. Make Fumble only on a natural One.
I mean, they should have not gone this way. They could have made Throwers PA+2, or PA+3 and old Accurate for free .Then they could have given non-Throwers PA3+ (or worse). No Wildly Inaccurate and you maybe get a better effect than this mess.Oh, and they should have not increased the price to hire a Thrower.
I really wonder, as a Skaven player, will I even take the "buffed", more expensive Thrower. That is just insane to me. |
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PaddyMick
Joined: Jan 03, 2012
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Aug 14, 2020 - 12:41 |
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Heroic_Tackle wrote: | If they don't errata that ASAP that is just insane. |
Yeah you're right it seems crazy, but hey can't errata it since they havn't released the rules yet. Maybe they will fix it before release. Maybe this whole 'leak' has been designed to get some free feedback and even playtesting done by ordinary players. But probably not XD |
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Balle2000
Joined: Sep 25, 2008
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Aug 14, 2020 - 13:06 |
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Rules haven't been released yet.
Games haven't been played yet.
Yes, its definitely TIME TO PANIC!!!!! |
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Heroic_Tackle
Joined: Nov 05, 2006
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Aug 14, 2020 - 13:19 |
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@Balle and Paddy: I hope you are right.
In the meantime it looks dire. |
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Izzinatah
Joined: Apr 06, 2009
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Aug 14, 2020 - 13:32 |
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Edit: deleted to avoid confusion |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 14, 2020 - 13:39 |
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If passing is worse and riskier than now, people will just run the ball. |
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SquirrelDude
Joined: Mar 22, 2015
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Aug 14, 2020 - 14:04 |
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It's an awkward rule-set to compare as most players actually receive an upgrade to their passing number as compared to the current edition, but the difficulty of passes was then increased by one.
The leaked ruleset shows a version of passing where players are less to be accurate. The trade off is that they have also become much less likely to fumble, trading that off for wildly inaccurate. Here is that visualized:
Unfortunately wildly inaccurate is a deviates rather than a scatter, and will extremely difficult to account for when planning a turn. In many cases it will be worse than a fumbled pass.
Bear in mind The leaked version of the wildly inaccurate rule is broken. PA 1+ doesn't do anything in the rules, and it makes you inaccurate on a modified roll of <1. If that is the version that makes it to print, expect there to be short turnaround on errata. Other tweaks to passing may come with it. |
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Heroic_Tackle
Joined: Nov 05, 2006
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Aug 14, 2020 - 14:06 |
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@ Izzinatah: Huh? AG 4 Current rules throws a short Pass. 1 is a Fumble, 2 is Inaccurate, 3+ is accurate.
Edit: Ninjaed bei Sqiurell Dude |
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Izzinatah
Joined: Apr 06, 2009
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Aug 14, 2020 - 14:16 |
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Heroic_Tackle wrote: | @ Izzinatah: Huh? AG 4 Current rules throws a short Pass. 1 is a Fumble, 2 is Inaccurate, 3+ is accurate.
Edit: Ninjaed bei Sqiurell Dude |
Edit: deleted to avoid confusion. I forgot the baked in +1 to everything in BB2016. Sorry if I came across as patronising!! Thanks for the graphs Squirrel. |
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