tuixec
Joined: Nov 08, 2014
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Dec 15, 2021 - 09:20 |
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Hello, I am wondering if Iron Hard Skin is a valid random mutation for an underworld goblin.
The against point is that an 8 armor roll already breaks the armor, and thus it is a useless skill.
The in favor point is that one can always increase the goblin's armor via SPP to give the skill some use. To be honest, I do not know anyone that would do so, but it is certainly an option. |
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maznaz
Joined: Jan 26, 2004
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Dec 15, 2021 - 11:07 |
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I had a debate about this on discord, and it's undecided. Right now random skills doesn't preclude you getting invalid skills anyway, but when it's implemented to do so, this could maybe go either way. My thoughts are that it's clearly invalid, but some people seem to think that the future possibility of taking +AV should make it valid. |
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Alien_the_Alien
Joined: Apr 22, 2020
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Dec 15, 2021 - 14:40 |
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I think that if we go RAW, it wouldn't be a valid mutation by default, but would become one after you take +AV on a gobbo. |
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Jayward
Joined: Dec 22, 2020
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Dec 15, 2021 - 14:52 |
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Feels like a valid skill to me; conditions exist where it could be used. It shouldn't matter that it isn't generally useful.
Compare that to the Catch + No Hands, where you can never use Catch under any circumstances. |
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maznaz
Joined: Jan 26, 2004
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Dec 15, 2021 - 15:18 |
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I think it depends whether the rules are meant to catch people out and prevent fun or to aid i the enjoyment of the game. If it's the latter, I think it's clear that people rolling a random skill wouldn't want to get one that does literally nothing when rolled. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Dec 15, 2021 - 18:19 |
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I think it's another one that should be exempted on players with AV 8+ or worse. |
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Garion26
Joined: Nov 28, 2021
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Dec 15, 2021 - 18:30 |
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maznaz wrote: | Right now random skills doesn't preclude you getting invalid skills anyway, . |
Are you sure?
I've been doing random skills on two different Khorne blood spawn and all four times I rolled invalid skills were grayed out (grab, mighty blow, strong arm if I recall correctly) looks like it's implemented to some degree. |
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sebco
Joined: Feb 14, 2005
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Dec 15, 2021 - 19:12 |
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C0ddlefish
Joined: Sep 17, 2019
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Dec 15, 2021 - 19:18 |
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Yep, those example above are all explicitly mentioned as incompatible with other skills or duplicates on a Bloodspawn so are programmed in.
Java has collated a list of others that should be implimented
https://fumbbl.com/p/bugs?id/718 |
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Gengis
Joined: Mar 20, 2020
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Dec 16, 2021 - 10:11 |
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Clearly valid for me is also useless, like a lot of other random skills in others teams. For example Shadowing for a dwarf, multiple block for a snotling, leap for a mummy...
If something like this is happening in my team...i just fire the absurd skilled player, like the iron skinned goblin. Is only 40.000gc....don't deserve any tear for it. Is the inherent risk for taking a random skill. |
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tuixec
Joined: Nov 08, 2014
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Dec 16, 2021 - 10:46 |
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Gengis wrote: | Clearly valid for me is also useless, like a lot of other random skills in others teams. For example Shadowing for a dwarf, multiple block for a snotling, leap for a mummy...
If something like this is happening in my team...i just fire the absurd skilled player, like the iron skinned goblin. Is only 40.000gc....don't deserve any tear for it. Is the inherent risk for taking a random skill. |
Firing the goblin is what I did, (he had that and tentacles, LOL).
Nevertheless, Hard Iron Skin is a further level of non-usefulness than the ones you mentioned or tentacles. You cannot roll a 6 or devote all your players to assist the snotling, to make it super-marginal use of it.
And still not at the level of big hand + no-hands. I see 3 levels of non-usefulness, and the 2nd is the one generating me doubts. But if there is a dedicated thread to this, then this one is irrelevant. |
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tuixec
Joined: Nov 08, 2014
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Dec 16, 2021 - 10:50 |
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Nice thread, I will mark it for future reference, but I doubt I catch something not in that thread |
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