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Endrophil



Joined: Nov 16, 2015

Post   Posted: Jun 06, 2023 - 16:00 Reply with quote Back to top

Yes. Please nerf goblins harder!
Garion26



Joined: Nov 28, 2021

Post   Posted: Jun 06, 2023 - 18:38 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
Then change the PA. 4+ is too good for a Stunty.


Matt I think it's fine - aside from bombs the passing stat lets them do the rare passing play. I think the hefty and chameleon are the only two with passing skill access.

In regards to angst over goblin nerfs for what it's worth I realized recently that goblins over the last two years have their best two win rates _ever_ in NAF events. That's probably overperforming vs design specs given their historic win rate through 20 years/multiple editions of the rules.

I don't know where to find similar data for FUMBBL but I suspect a lot of goblin play in FUMBBL is done for a lark for a few games with only a small subset of serious goblin coaches.


https://member.thenaf.net/index.php?module=NAF&type=statistics&func=race&raceid=7


Last edited by Garion26 on Jun 07, 2023 - 18:16; edited 1 time in total
Endrophil



Joined: Nov 16, 2015

Post   Posted: Jun 06, 2023 - 20:05 Reply with quote Back to top

By the way... goblins had 4+ passing before bb2020 (counting agi3 + stunty). Was never too strong before.
ArthurWynne



Joined: Sep 23, 2015

Post   Posted: Jun 06, 2023 - 20:08 Reply with quote Back to top

Indeed. I don't understand why the PA baseline wasn't set to 3+ rather than 4+ in the 2020 rules.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jun 06, 2023 - 20:20 Reply with quote Back to top

Before BB2020 there was no multiple rr per turn. Consider that too.
Also, Elves have PA 4+. If Goblins have PA 4+ then Elves should have PA 3+.
Goblins should be about fouling, Secret Weapons and TTM. They should have some related boosts (rostered bribes and a better Doom Diver and Bomma).
Passing the ball is not something they are supposed to do as well as an Elf (or a Human).
Endrophil



Joined: Nov 16, 2015

Post   Posted: Jun 06, 2023 - 20:42 Reply with quote Back to top

Still you are comparing a professional lineman with a professional lineman.
Garion26



Joined: Nov 28, 2021

Post   Posted: Jun 07, 2023 - 12:26 Reply with quote Back to top

Endrophil wrote:
Still you are comparing a professional lineman with a professional lineman.


100% this. Passing the ball has nothing to do with agility in the current edition of the rules or in real life football on which BB is based. Plenty of big lumbering QBs who have amazing arms.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jun 07, 2023 - 14:20 Reply with quote Back to top

Goblins don't look big and lumbering. They are short and with thin arms.
Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jun 07, 2023 - 14:24 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
Goblins don't look big and lumbering. They are short and with thin arms.


Their base throwing is unchanged. Silly sausage Razz

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Garion26



Joined: Nov 28, 2021

Post   Posted: Jun 07, 2023 - 18:15 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
Goblins don't look big and lumbering. They are short and with thin arms.


There are also short and fast QBs with amazing arms.

But being a fast agile player (i.e. a wide receiver type) doesn't mean you throw the ball well. You cover ground better and 'dodge' hits better.
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