JimmyBlitz
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:06 |
 
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My zons didn't even get picked :sniff: |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:09 |
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That`s why I would propose, that the next time, the two or three highest applicants from every race (maybe except stunties) are taken and the rest should be filled up with other teams. |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:12 |
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| CircularLogic wrote: | | That`s why I would propose, that the next time, the two or three highest applicants from every race (maybe except stunties) are taken and the rest should be filled up with other teams. |
And the coaches allowed to play with the strong races would be selected how?
I agree with poster of the topic that the light and dark qualifiers should be divided by means of their alignment in the fluff. So dark elves over to the dark side and dwarves over to the light side. Would that be a pity for the dark elves? Perhaps so, but then what about the rats? They are already playing dark. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:12 |
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| pac wrote: | Because elves don't like them.
Honestly, we have this every year: tried using search?  |
searching has nothing to do with spotting rights and wrongs.
dorfs should be light and darkies should be dark |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:27 |
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| Cloggy wrote: | | CircularLogic wrote: | | That`s why I would propose, that the next time, the two or three highest applicants from every race (maybe except stunties) are taken and the rest should be filled up with other teams. |
And the coaches allowed to play with the strong races would be selected how?
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The highest TR teams.
We have 20 races for racial slots. That makes 40 slots out of 128. Pick the 44 teams with the highest TR for light and dark. Then fill up the racial slots. If there are still slots left (e.g. only 1 necro team applied), pick the team left over with the next higher TR.
Not exactly rocket science. |
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vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:30 |
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There are 21 LRB4 races.
Then the race which had won the last cup should be left out. |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:32 |
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| CircularLogic wrote: | | Cloggy wrote: | | CircularLogic wrote: | | That`s why I would propose, that the next time, the two or three highest applicants from every race (maybe except stunties) are taken and the rest should be filled up with other teams. |
And the coaches allowed to play with the strong races would be selected how?
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The highest TR teams.
We have 20 races for racial slots. That makes 40 slots out of 128. Pick the 44 teams with the highest TR for light and dark. Then fill up the racial slots. If there are still slots left (e.g. only 1 necro team applied), pick the team left over with the next higher TR.
Not exactly rocket science. |
It is if you want a balanced tourney. Just do a quick search and find out. The highest TR or TS teams vary greatly per race. What you propose has a LOT of negative implications in the balance of stenght in the field of participants, and it's simply a horrible idea to implement without changing any of the other rules as well.
A lot of coaches have argued that the playing field in the majors is not fair, because the same races are so dominant. This is of course because some races keep getting stronger as they grow in TR and others peak out at a certain level. Getting a minimum of 4 teams per race involved would only make the dominance of the elves and orcs bigger. Not smaller. |
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Frankenstein
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 08, 2007 - 12:53 |
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| Cloggy wrote: | | Getting a minimum of 4 teams per race involved would only make the dominance of the elves and orcs bigger. Not smaller. |
Erm, why? I'm afraid I can't follow your "logic". |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 13:33 |
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| Mirascael wrote: | | Cloggy wrote: | | Getting a minimum of 4 teams per race involved would only make the dominance of the elves and orcs bigger. Not smaller. |
Erm, why? I'm afraid I can't follow your "logic". |
The reasoning is that a few awesome orc teams and a few awesome elven teams would compete against a lot of mediocre teams of other races, instead of having competition from other awesome orc and elf teams.
As for the discussion: Dwarves are nasty little buggers and should as such stay in the dark tourney.
Regarding elven teams: The picking is more of a problem than the elves themselves, but that also goes for the bashy teams.
For what it's worth, I applied with my humans, but didn't make the cut by some 10 points in TR. In any other cup I wouldn't even bother applying with humans, but the UI really is the one cup where races other than elves could shine. |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Apr 08, 2007 - 15:28 |
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| JanMattys wrote: | | pac wrote: | Because elves don't like them.
Honestly, we have this every year: tried using search? |
searching has nothing to do with spotting rights and wrongs.
dorfs should be light and darkies should be dark |
'Rights and wrongs'?
It's an arbitrary division of the lists, based on who the High Elves like/don't like. Right and wrong doesn't come into it. However the lists were reworked, there would always be some classification that someone didn't agree with.
Now, an argument with some substance is that the whole point of the Light/Dark UI qualifiers was to make it easier for more fragile teams to compete in one of the majors. However, as the last two majors (with no such rules) have been won by Wood Elves, the fragile teams are clearly in no need of such a crutch.
There is a definite argument for wholesale reform of the UI qualifier system - but niggling about which team should be in which category is pointless and redundant. (As I said, search and you will find the official line on this: I remember Mezir posting on this subject last year.) |
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Vanguard
Joined: Nov 01, 2003
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Apr 08, 2007 - 16:16 |
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hehe
make it easier
team are only allowed to join if they played at least 40 % vs the other latern and at least 33 in the last 15 games
so you get more crippled elf teams which leads to a fair chance for all |
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Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 17:58 |
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BTW..... this assumption that dark elves would suck if moved to Dark.....
Complete BS. Before this tourney i wish i could hae entered my high elves in a Dark Qualifier and if the darkies got moved... I would totally run them.
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Diabl0658
Joined: Oct 05, 2004
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Apr 08, 2007 - 18:28 |
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We dont want to switch dark elfs and dwarfs because elfs wouldnt win the dark qualifier, we want to do it so they get a more even share of blocks and fouls |
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Sziro
Joined: May 07, 2005
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Apr 08, 2007 - 18:29 |
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What if you could choose you are a champion of light or darkness? Maybe restricting the HE, Halflings, Lizardmen to light and Chaos, CD, Skaven to dark, but for the others why not let them choose? (DE disguishing themselves to look like do gooders, or humans fighting as dirty cutthroats) Would do a lot more fluff i guess. Fluff that is more specific to the teams, and not the wh universe. ..as I think of it, i would hardly describe anyone in wh universe as Good. I had seen many a crusader theme chaos, why not let them join the light side?
BTW, it is not a good thing to divide the elfbowl from the rest, it is hardly arguable. Maybe the UI could work as an exception to an extent, but not like the current state.
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p4m
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 10, 2007 - 12:32 |
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| Kk773 wrote: | What if you could choose you are a champion of light or darkness? Maybe restricting the HE, Halflings, Lizardmen to light and Chaos, CD, Skaven to dark, but for the others why not let them choose? (DE disguishing themselves to look like do gooders, or humans fighting as dirty cutthroats) Would do a lot more fluff i guess. Fluff that is more specific to the teams, and not the wh universe. ..as I think of it, i would hardly describe anyone in wh universe as Good. I had seen many a crusader theme chaos, why not let them join the light side?
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so the bashy orks can choose: playing some games vs (mighty) Flings or play games vs (cute) chaos teams! good choice 
or the other way around: whats the sense in winning a dark tourney if all orks play in the light devision?
and last but not least: if the teams will be chosen TR the elves wont be restricted to 64 places the can take actually 128 places - well i dont think that will help at all |
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