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| Is freedom of the press a good idea? |
| Yes |
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86% |
[ 84 ] |
| No |
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3% |
[ 3 ] |
| Sometimes |
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10% |
[ 10 ] |
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| Total Votes : 97 |
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MickeX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 19, 2006 - 00:36 |
 
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andbruu
Joined: May 03, 2004
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Feb 19, 2006 - 00:42 |
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On the topic of Jyllandsposten I would just say *Bip Bip Bip* and the world would end up being on big MTV |
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Skrofler
Joined: Aug 16, 2005
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Feb 20, 2006 - 21:05 |
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You're so confused.
I've mentioned several times that I'm all for freedom of the press. What part of that don't you understand? Do you expect me to sign a petition or something?
And what's with the "western gov-hugging" crap? Am I such a person simply for standing up for free speech, for loathing communism or for criticising the absurd protests against JP? If you're so full of prejudice you can't separate one liberal from another I'm not surprised by the way you're leaning. It must be so handy always arbitrarily dividing people and cathegorically dismissing whole groups. Then you won't have to listen to what they're actually saying.
Get a grip! |
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Skrofler
Joined: Aug 16, 2005
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Feb 20, 2006 - 21:38 |
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| MickeX wrote: | | Skrofler wrote: | | (Bla bla bla) ... This might all be due to the fact that we don't have much experience with true racial issues here. |
Well, so far I don't think I've ever spoken to an immigrant in Sweden from a poor country who hasn't faced blatant racism. However, it also was a long time since I ever talked to a swedish "liberal" who cared. |
Failing to see what care has to do with this I'll move on to explaining what I mean with true racial issues. Rosa Parks was a true racial issue. Apartheid is another. The "indian" tribes and the Spanish in Latin America is yet another. In comparison Swedes in general have no experience in true racial issues. That's what I meant and that's what I think helps confusing the national debate. However, that might be of little importance now since you denounced the connection I made.
| MickeX wrote: | | If you'd bothered to read into the subject you're trying to debate, Skrofler, you'd have noticed that the discourse I'm leaning on here is borrowed from american antiracist movements rather than swedish politics. |
If you'd given me a hint I would have bothered. Don't assume I'm ignorant just because we have different references. At best we understand half of what the other person is actually saying. Still, you can't blame a guy for taking a guess. It was a good guess since your debating bear the marks of a home-grown Swedish socialist. If your inspiration in fact comes from another way isn't very important as long as the result is about the same.
| MickeX wrote: | | Of course we could use a definition of racism where any argument that hypotethically could be said to only be talking about religion is automatically considered non-racist. However, the consequence would that some half of the antisemite pictures of the 1930:ies would be defined as non-racist. |
Perhaps, but that doesn't make them alright. They would still be loathesome albeit not racist. |
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MrMojo
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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Feb 20, 2006 - 21:44 |
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You darn swedes use to think that Finns were mongols and somehow an inferior race.
Well, I have to admit that your ladies are more beautiful than ours.
And you have ABBA...
and ABBA teens...
and Mark Levengood...OMG!
(I'm secretly glad that I married a Swedish speaking woman) |
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MickeX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2006 - 10:51 |
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| MrMojo wrote: | | You darn swedes use to think that Finns were mongols and somehow an inferior race. |
Those were the days  Damn, those swedes taking over all that land in Finland must have been among the most annoying jerks of the nordic millenium...
Skrofler: The day I meet a few swedish liberals that spend some portion of their energy to the human rights issues where western gov's are the perpetrators, I'll stop my arbitrary dismissal of you guys, ok?  |
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MrMojo
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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Feb 21, 2006 - 10:56 |
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| MickeX wrote: | | MrMojo wrote: | | You darn swedes use to think that Finns were mongols and somehow an inferior race. |
Those were the days Damn, those swedes taking over all that land in Finland must have been among the most annoying jerks of the nordic millenium... |
No actually that was in the 1930's. |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2006 - 11:31 |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2006 - 11:46 |
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| MickeX wrote: |
Well, so far I don't think I've ever spoken to an immigrant in Sweden from a poor country who hasn't faced blatant racism. However, it also was a long time since I ever talked to a swedish "liberal" who cared.
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Lets talk about statistics here. A person probably interact with atleast 500 people in a month (I am taking a very low estimation here). That means 6000 people per year. Lets pretend that you've been a racist for 10 years, that would mean that you have been able to act racist against 60 000 people over those ten years. Sweden got a population of 9 million and by making a simple calculation (9 000 000/60 000 = 150) will we find that we only need 150 racists to be racist to all immigrants during a ten year time. I know that there are more racists than that but it shows that you only need a very small number of racists to be racist to all immigrants.
On a sidenote, I've also been the subject of blatant racism but I'm Swedish so I guess you don't care about that. |
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Jinxed
Joined: Jul 04, 2004
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Feb 21, 2006 - 11:54 |
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David Irving is entitled to saying this in my opinion.
Of course it is to my knowledge incredibly daft but that is not the point. Some people claim the earth is flat.  |
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def909
Joined: Oct 25, 2005
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Feb 21, 2006 - 12:47 |
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| Taffsadar wrote: | | Um, the cartoons aren't even racist. They are heresy (to muslems) but they aren't racist unless I am a racist for hating one particular arabic asshat (which would be quite ironic since I just went to a "turk shop" and bought som delicious fig marmelade). You might want to see the pictures yourself before calling them racist. http://www.drawmohammed.com/thumbnails-2.html |
There are some very racist cartoons on this website... sick bastards, they are imo |
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MrMojo
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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Feb 21, 2006 - 13:59 |
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| def909 wrote: | | sick bastards, they are imo |
Who? The people taking lives for these cartoons?
Or people burning the good old Ronald McDonald in Pakistan? Which is a bit strange considering that the cartoons were Danish. |
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MickeX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2006 - 20:18 |
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| MrMojo wrote: | | No actually that was in the 1930's. |
Yeah, the "scientific explanation" came a few hundred years too late Funny how we were among the leading countries in racial "science" back in those days. I've heard that the places where the neonazis has popped up lately are more or less exactly the same as those where the brownshirts were strong back in those days (though I haven't seen the actual research behind it).
Taffsadar: I'm hardly the last champion of free speech just because the liberals gave up on it. I do defend Irvings right to speak BS. I've been in lots of arguments about that kind of laws, and I'm quite doubtful to the swedish variants as well. |
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Skrofler
Joined: Aug 16, 2005
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Feb 22, 2006 - 00:50 |
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| MickeX wrote: | | Skrofler: The day I meet a few swedish liberals that spend some portion of their energy to the human rights issues where western gov's are the perpetrators, I'll stop my arbitrary dismissal of you guys, ok? |
Fair enough. Ever heard of Amnesty International? You can start looking there. |
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