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2010-03-08 16:57:05
59 votes, rating 5.4
59 votes, rating 5.4
Take it like a man (or woman if that is your prefered gender role)
Just a general moan about some of the coaches i have spectated in the box recently.
As we are all aware i am one of the main advocates of the box, it is what i love and enjoy about bloodbowl. However i have started to notice a growing trend. Coaches are begining to complain that their players are getting hurt in the box. Now this would not be a problem, but i have started to notice that main culprits seem to be coaches that use the so called nastier races.
Let's give you some examples:-
Firstly a little while ago i was watching a match with some khemri playing against an orc team. After the end of the orcs 3rd turn (and the begining of the Khemri's 3rd) the khemri declared the game as 'boring' because he 'had lost 3 players by the end of the 3rd turn... Welcome to the world of your opponents. Do you worry that the game might be a bit boring for them when you wipe them off the pitch? no? i didn't think so... This coach then proceded to complain and whine all the way through the game, with such comments as 'Well i might as well watch tv, since this game is now so boring!'. This is just bad sportsmanship. Suck it up like the rest of us non-khemri players do. If you don't like the pain, get out of the box and go back to your picking in ranked(and i am not accusing ranked of picking, just the coach in question). This is not even a one off for this coach, i have seen him complain and whine his way through several 'boring' games. Everyone of them due to him losing a few players in the first few turns.
Secondly, today i saw two more games that followed a similar pattern to the one above, both times the complainers were coaching teams that were designed to hand out a beating (not saying which teams as i don't want to allow for speculation). Meanwhile i watched a dark elf team get beaten into the ground with narry a bad word to say.
I don't mind teams that are designed to kick arse, i just think that if you can't take having that arse handed straight back to you on a plate then get out of the box and go back to only playing teams that you can beat up in safety. Let's keep the good sportsmanship alive, and applaud every 'Nice Hit' that gets dealt out to you, and the box will be a better place to play.
regards Freak
As we are all aware i am one of the main advocates of the box, it is what i love and enjoy about bloodbowl. However i have started to notice a growing trend. Coaches are begining to complain that their players are getting hurt in the box. Now this would not be a problem, but i have started to notice that main culprits seem to be coaches that use the so called nastier races.
Let's give you some examples:-
Firstly a little while ago i was watching a match with some khemri playing against an orc team. After the end of the orcs 3rd turn (and the begining of the Khemri's 3rd) the khemri declared the game as 'boring' because he 'had lost 3 players by the end of the 3rd turn... Welcome to the world of your opponents. Do you worry that the game might be a bit boring for them when you wipe them off the pitch? no? i didn't think so... This coach then proceded to complain and whine all the way through the game, with such comments as 'Well i might as well watch tv, since this game is now so boring!'. This is just bad sportsmanship. Suck it up like the rest of us non-khemri players do. If you don't like the pain, get out of the box and go back to your picking in ranked(and i am not accusing ranked of picking, just the coach in question). This is not even a one off for this coach, i have seen him complain and whine his way through several 'boring' games. Everyone of them due to him losing a few players in the first few turns.
Secondly, today i saw two more games that followed a similar pattern to the one above, both times the complainers were coaching teams that were designed to hand out a beating (not saying which teams as i don't want to allow for speculation). Meanwhile i watched a dark elf team get beaten into the ground with narry a bad word to say.
I don't mind teams that are designed to kick arse, i just think that if you can't take having that arse handed straight back to you on a plate then get out of the box and go back to only playing teams that you can beat up in safety. Let's keep the good sportsmanship alive, and applaud every 'Nice Hit' that gets dealt out to you, and the box will be a better place to play.
regards Freak
Comments
Posted by Skolopender on 2010-03-08 17:02:02
/signed
Posted by Calthor on 2010-03-08 17:07:39
/signed
Posted by maysrill on 2010-03-08 17:12:37
Any khemri coach ought to be used to it. An early ref call, or av7 skeletons acting like av7 skeletons can get you shorthanded in a hurry, especially on defense.
Khemri are a one-trick pony. They plow over opponents and foul. If that doesn't work, they're usually screwed, and if they get shorthanded they have no tools to deal with it (i.e. speed and agility). You'd think a coach who whines any time they're outbashed would play orcs (all av9) instead of khemri, since they are rarely wiped off the pitch.
BTW, I've probably played 2-3 Box coaches like this and have a good idea who you might be referring to in particular.
Khemri are a one-trick pony. They plow over opponents and foul. If that doesn't work, they're usually screwed, and if they get shorthanded they have no tools to deal with it (i.e. speed and agility). You'd think a coach who whines any time they're outbashed would play orcs (all av9) instead of khemri, since they are rarely wiped off the pitch.
BTW, I've probably played 2-3 Box coaches like this and have a good idea who you might be referring to in particular.
Posted by pythrr on 2010-03-08 17:18:02
yes, yes, yes, yes
good call
good call
Posted by Calcium on 2010-03-08 17:33:26
I agree, but remember, no one is perfect. Although playing bashers and not expecting a bashing is daft.
Posted by Christer on 2010-03-08 17:36:12
Especially when you're playing Khemri.. It's a race where you have to accept your team being outbashed by the properly tough races at the higher ratings :)
Posted by blader4411 on 2010-03-08 17:38:44
Excellent Blog! :-D
@Christer: Couldn't be more right :-)
-Blader
@Christer: Couldn't be more right :-)
-Blader
Posted by Rawlf on 2010-03-08 17:56:15
The introduction of tournaments in [B] has degraded regular games to preparation matches. So whining about team building setbacks (read CAS) is only logical.
If there was a reward in [B] for actually winning games instead of having a good tournament team ready when you need it, then maybe coaches would whine about losing.
It's a homemade trend I guess, but fortunately not as rampant as in [R] yet.
If there was a reward in [B] for actually winning games instead of having a good tournament team ready when you need it, then maybe coaches would whine about losing.
It's a homemade trend I guess, but fortunately not as rampant as in [R] yet.
Posted by Jeffro on 2010-03-08 18:20:05
Coaches will always whine about losing... but to play a team designed to remove the other team from the pitch in order to score and then moan about losing too many of your guys IS the point of the blog, and - I agree - is the pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by eyeslikethunder on 2010-03-08 21:07:11
rawlf are you suggesting the removal off tournaments from [b] ?
Posted by Rawlf on 2010-03-08 21:24:24
ELT: that would seem silly now, as the decision is made and the vast majority called for it. But I did argue against introducing them in the first place back when [B] became a full division.
I thought there were better alternatives that would make [B] unique and interesting (faction style, badges, coach of the month competitions - the stuff is still being discussed, latest in PurpleChests thread). Tourneys turn [B] into Ranked minor, which leads to behavior like the one described in this blog.
More importantly, the similarity of the two divisions leads to all that terrible "ranked vs box" crap that unfortunately floods the site.
Maybe I should better write my own blog rant. :P
I thought there were better alternatives that would make [B] unique and interesting (faction style, badges, coach of the month competitions - the stuff is still being discussed, latest in PurpleChests thread). Tourneys turn [B] into Ranked minor, which leads to behavior like the one described in this blog.
More importantly, the similarity of the two divisions leads to all that terrible "ranked vs box" crap that unfortunately floods the site.
Maybe I should better write my own blog rant. :P
Posted by Synn on 2010-03-09 04:36:07
Rawlf,
Honestly, this type of crap was happening when the box was first started. I dealt with dorf, CD, and chaos coaches whining early and often. My reason behind it has to do with this:
In B, you don't choose your matches, thus there is no penalty for whining. Who cares if you get known as a prick since you will always be able to get a game.
I noticed some generally cool coaches going down that path, and figured it was a good time to get out.
__Synn
Honestly, this type of crap was happening when the box was first started. I dealt with dorf, CD, and chaos coaches whining early and often. My reason behind it has to do with this:
In B, you don't choose your matches, thus there is no penalty for whining. Who cares if you get known as a prick since you will always be able to get a game.
I noticed some generally cool coaches going down that path, and figured it was a good time to get out.
__Synn
Posted by maznaz on 2010-03-09 13:43:43
I know exactly who the coach you're referring to in the first part is. When i play him I drag the chat window off screen.
As for the main point of the post, I completely agree. Everyone gets frustrated from time to time, but there are a few coaches who are saying things like gg and so on by the end of their first turn. Those coaches are invariably ones who only play the toughest teams in B, and ensure their soft teams only play soft opponents in R. I don't really know what to do about it though, other than allow a limited blacklist in B, but that's a whole other can of worms.
As for the main point of the post, I completely agree. Everyone gets frustrated from time to time, but there are a few coaches who are saying things like gg and so on by the end of their first turn. Those coaches are invariably ones who only play the toughest teams in B, and ensure their soft teams only play soft opponents in R. I don't really know what to do about it though, other than allow a limited blacklist in B, but that's a whole other can of worms.
Posted by Shimin on 2010-03-09 17:36:46
I hope someone will trash my khemri team. Although only 5 games old, it has had amazing luck:
Games Played:5(3/0/2)|TD Diff:1(4-3)|Cas Diff:17(9/6/3-1/0/0)
But playing against khemri with my humans, just seems like easy pickings for my humans.
But truth be told, although i might whine if my elves takes another beating, or my dwarves loses 3 players in 1st turn, i always play untill the end. The reason for mentioning that, is that I have noticed another trend (i have noticed the mentioned too): Bashing teams conceed when they lose a few players against e.g. a human team or another "easy pickings" team.
A bit sad that you play orcs or khemri, and then leave becourse you lose a few. (By lose, i mean any cas, but especially when they lose their apo)
Games Played:5(3/0/2)|TD Diff:1(4-3)|Cas Diff:17(9/6/3-1/0/0)
But playing against khemri with my humans, just seems like easy pickings for my humans.
But truth be told, although i might whine if my elves takes another beating, or my dwarves loses 3 players in 1st turn, i always play untill the end. The reason for mentioning that, is that I have noticed another trend (i have noticed the mentioned too): Bashing teams conceed when they lose a few players against e.g. a human team or another "easy pickings" team.
A bit sad that you play orcs or khemri, and then leave becourse you lose a few. (By lose, i mean any cas, but especially when they lose their apo)
Posted by Sionis on 2010-03-09 20:08:01
This trend that's been growing in popularity leads me to believe that a number of coaches should probably take a moment to reflect on how much they actually like Bloodbowl. Personally, I think there's something inherently wrong when a game produces feelings of dissatisfaction and leads to a state of 'alleged' boredom.
Posted by Mithrilpoint on 2010-03-09 21:29:27
Hmm, no matter which team i play i would have to agree that the match does get rather boring when the winner is determined or very likely. With khemri and goblins (the teams I prefer, semi-similar bashy, stalling playstyle) this can happen rather quickly as both teams are one-trick ponys. An Example:
Coaching gobbos vs. humans. First kickoff, human coach casses both trolls. Game is lost at this point in 90-95 % of cases if the human coach has the slightest idea where the "block" button is. That would make me find the game boring. In some situations i might remark something like the comments in your blog to my opponent. I fail to see the problem in this. A similar situation could occur if a khemri team get two mummies or other key players removed early on. The game is just not close anymore, hence boring or less exciting.
This is also true when the tables are turned. The game just gets less exciting if one side has a clear upper hand. As most whiners are very competitive they just choose not not whine about the game being boring, but instead gloat over their certain victory and leet skillz at this game.
Because of game design wood elf can win games while being shorthanded. Khemri cannot (or again, rarely do). neither can gobbos. So irrespective of race i would say that when one sides winning potential is significantly reduced then the game becomes less interesting or even boring at times. This goes for spectating games as well.
Actually, I am not even sure the average khemri coach whines more over being undermanned than the average WE coach whines about failing a dodge/pass/handoff.
Whining is always there when playing vs. strangers. Not sure if there is more in B than R but whining about what other people whine about? well.. :)
Coaching gobbos vs. humans. First kickoff, human coach casses both trolls. Game is lost at this point in 90-95 % of cases if the human coach has the slightest idea where the "block" button is. That would make me find the game boring. In some situations i might remark something like the comments in your blog to my opponent. I fail to see the problem in this. A similar situation could occur if a khemri team get two mummies or other key players removed early on. The game is just not close anymore, hence boring or less exciting.
This is also true when the tables are turned. The game just gets less exciting if one side has a clear upper hand. As most whiners are very competitive they just choose not not whine about the game being boring, but instead gloat over their certain victory and leet skillz at this game.
Because of game design wood elf can win games while being shorthanded. Khemri cannot (or again, rarely do). neither can gobbos. So irrespective of race i would say that when one sides winning potential is significantly reduced then the game becomes less interesting or even boring at times. This goes for spectating games as well.
Actually, I am not even sure the average khemri coach whines more over being undermanned than the average WE coach whines about failing a dodge/pass/handoff.
Whining is always there when playing vs. strangers. Not sure if there is more in B than R but whining about what other people whine about? well.. :)
Posted by Calthor on 2010-03-10 17:01:57
@Mithrilpoint,
I'm trying to come up with a joke about you whining about Freak's whining of whining Box-coaches. But meh, instead I'll just whine about not being able to come up with a joke.
I'm trying to come up with a joke about you whining about Freak's whining of whining Box-coaches. But meh, instead I'll just whine about not being able to come up with a joke.