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Match Result · Ranked division
Match recorded on 2004-06-18 15:42:08
40k
0/1/0
Player Performances
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Player Performances
td
comp
cas
int
mvp
spp
turns
pass
rush
block
foul
TOTALS
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#5 Max the Great – Broken Ribs (MNG)
#5 Max the Great – Smashed Knee (NI)
“Some games are very intresting... This game because of reactions from my opponent.
First off I usually do not foul, crowdsurf or stall. I think they are valid tactics but I seldom use them because they might hurt my opponents players. I will foul if I get the ref, if my opponent starts or if it is vital, never just to do it. If you do not belive me look at my teams bio...
This game startes with him crowdsurfing one of my players. Fine it is legal but I do not have to like it. He doesn´t care about killing my players so why should I care about his? So I start to foul, crowdsurf him back and stall to keep him from being able to controle the game.
And then he starts to nagg about my tactics... If he thinks that crowdsurf is a valid tactic then I have the right to think foul, crowdsurf and stalling is valid tactics aswell.
Karalon, think about it before you complain on someone elses tactics. I had no intention on doing these things until you pushed me out into the crowd. You didn´t care about what happened to my players so why should I care about your players?
EDIT 1: If I had scored the first turn it was possible you would have had 4 turns to score not 2. Check the replay...
"There was nothing tactical about it, simply spiteful." So you say that it wasn´t a tactical move to try and remove your 2 werewolves from the field? It wasn´t a tactical move to reduce your number of players? It wasn´t a tactical move to see to it that your players stayed on the ground?
And why do you asume that I did these things in spite? I didn´t I just stoped caring for your players survival.
"yet you decided that parking your guy in the corner, and beating on my players was totally sportsmanlike. " Again look at the replay... I didn´t do any unnecessary blocks. I only made sure you couldn´t touch the ballcarrier.
EDIT 2: As I said I didn´t do it out of SPITE. I stopped carring for your players since you obviously didn´t care about mine. After all why should I care if I kill your players since you obviously didn´t care if you killed my players? That is how I justify my tactics, it doesn´t have anything to do with SPITE. It isn´t SPITE if you stop caring. It´s very easy, if I do not care about your players then why shouldn´t I use every dirty trick in the book? It´s a valid tactic even if it is considered "evil" or "bad". But you started it by not caring wether you killed my player or not. If you are going to continue to push people of the field then you need to accept that people will play "dirty" in return and it doesn´t have to have anything to do with SPITE.
EDIT 3: I just can´t believe this. Seriously, do you really believe that there are no players in the world that do not like to use certain tactics but will if someone else does it to them? Are you really suggesting that that means that all of them do it out of spite? And if you even hesitated or answered no to any of these questions you can´t claim that I did it out of SPITE (and I do know the meaning of the word) when I gave you an adequate answer as to why I changed my tactics. "I only started fouling because you pushed one of my players into the crowd". Yes I said this but that doesn´t controdict what I have stated all along.
"Now drop this lame argument as I refuse to have a battle of morals with an unarmed man." Now you talk about morals and yet you say "but your guy DID NOT die". It is the principal of the thing since I can not use an apoth (which I had) to save him if he is injured. And if you hadn´t read the rules... It is an instant injury roll... NO ARMOUR ROLL! That means that there is a chance of 2 out of 9 that it is an injury (8 rolls out of 36 is an injury). And that is even worse than fouling since when you foul you still need to break armour and you can still use an apoth.”
First off I usually do not foul, crowdsurf or stall. I think they are valid tactics but I seldom use them because they might hurt my opponents players. I will foul if I get the ref, if my opponent starts or if it is vital, never just to do it. If you do not belive me look at my teams bio...
This game startes with him crowdsurfing one of my players. Fine it is legal but I do not have to like it. He doesn´t care about killing my players so why should I care about his? So I start to foul, crowdsurf him back and stall to keep him from being able to controle the game.
And then he starts to nagg about my tactics... If he thinks that crowdsurf is a valid tactic then I have the right to think foul, crowdsurf and stalling is valid tactics aswell.
Karalon, think about it before you complain on someone elses tactics. I had no intention on doing these things until you pushed me out into the crowd. You didn´t care about what happened to my players so why should I care about your players?
EDIT 1: If I had scored the first turn it was possible you would have had 4 turns to score not 2. Check the replay...
"There was nothing tactical about it, simply spiteful." So you say that it wasn´t a tactical move to try and remove your 2 werewolves from the field? It wasn´t a tactical move to reduce your number of players? It wasn´t a tactical move to see to it that your players stayed on the ground?
And why do you asume that I did these things in spite? I didn´t I just stoped caring for your players survival.
"yet you decided that parking your guy in the corner, and beating on my players was totally sportsmanlike. " Again look at the replay... I didn´t do any unnecessary blocks. I only made sure you couldn´t touch the ballcarrier.
EDIT 2: As I said I didn´t do it out of SPITE. I stopped carring for your players since you obviously didn´t care about mine. After all why should I care if I kill your players since you obviously didn´t care if you killed my players? That is how I justify my tactics, it doesn´t have anything to do with SPITE. It isn´t SPITE if you stop caring. It´s very easy, if I do not care about your players then why shouldn´t I use every dirty trick in the book? It´s a valid tactic even if it is considered "evil" or "bad". But you started it by not caring wether you killed my player or not. If you are going to continue to push people of the field then you need to accept that people will play "dirty" in return and it doesn´t have to have anything to do with SPITE.
EDIT 3: I just can´t believe this. Seriously, do you really believe that there are no players in the world that do not like to use certain tactics but will if someone else does it to them? Are you really suggesting that that means that all of them do it out of spite? And if you even hesitated or answered no to any of these questions you can´t claim that I did it out of SPITE (and I do know the meaning of the word) when I gave you an adequate answer as to why I changed my tactics. "I only started fouling because you pushed one of my players into the crowd". Yes I said this but that doesn´t controdict what I have stated all along.
"Now drop this lame argument as I refuse to have a battle of morals with an unarmed man." Now you talk about morals and yet you say "but your guy DID NOT die". It is the principal of the thing since I can not use an apoth (which I had) to save him if he is injured. And if you hadn´t read the rules... It is an instant injury roll... NO ARMOUR ROLL! That means that there is a chance of 2 out of 9 that it is an injury (8 rolls out of 36 is an injury). And that is even worse than fouling since when you foul you still need to break armour and you can still use an apoth.”
It wasn't the stalling in particular I was complaining about. I was bothered that you already had the win in the bag. You were (soon to be) 2 nil up, with 2 turns left in the game. There was no way I could score 2TD's just no way, yet you decided that parking your guy in the corner, and beating on my players was totally sportsmanlike.
I had no problem with you 'crowdsurfing' my player as after crowdsurfing yours he was left vulnerable. It was a price I was quite happy to pay. It's not necesarrily the tactics I was not happy about mate, it was the fact that you simply did all of your dirty play in spite. There was nothing tactical about it, simply spiteful.
The complaint is not about tactics but the spirit with which the game was finished, which had been quite an enjoyable game (fouling and extremely unlucky dice rolls included) up until that point.
Edit 1: I think we can just agree to disagree on this one. If you are saying that it's tactical to beat on my guys, then how are you justifying do it in retaliation to my tactic of pushing your guy out? You obviously have no trouble doing the fouling/hitting/pushing out (as you did way more of it than I did). Don't you find it a little hypocritical to use 5 times the dirty play that I did? ( I pushed ONE guy out who you left vulnerable, and I fouled once in turn 6 or 7 after you'd belted the crap out of my guys) You aren't going to change my mind, you are a dirty player, you played with little honor, and no sense of fair play. This is a social game, and we are NOT I repeat NOT playing for money or friggen sheep stations. There really is no point in trying to destroy someones team for the sake of....yes spite. You claim that all of what you did was in retaliation to me pushing ONE of your guys out over the side line, if this is the case, that is called SPITE.... AKA Revenge - Or were you lying about that too?
Edit 2: Just had to have the last word didn't you. You're the one who decided to put this up on the public forum. You said to me in game "I only started fouling because you pushed one of my players into the crowd". Now, there's no other explanation for what you did other than revenge and spite, you need to look up what the words mean. Those tactics are all fine, EXCEPT when you start doing it to be spiteful. If you allowed my pushing your guy out over the sideline to get you worked up enough to begin playing without honor (fouling) then you obviously DO CARE about your players and you obviously DO CARE about maximizing the damage you do to my team for that game and the game after. Pushing one guy ovr the sideline does not constitute trying to team kill, and yes it is unfortunate that sometimes players die from that, but your guy DID NOT die, and you pushed one of my guys over the line the very next turn or two. Now, I was fine with that, I was even not going to say anything about your persistent fouling, but when you iced the cake with stalling and continued bashing of my players for the next 3 or 4 rounds, no I was not going to remain silent.
Now drop this lame argument as I refuse to have a battle of morals with an unarmed man.”