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Cathaidan



Joined: Sep 24, 2007
Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 17:33 Reply with quote Back to top
So... The following interaction happened this morning during a game, and it has me confused.

Both teams set up at the start of the game. Kick-Off result is a Blitz. Chaos Dwarf Bull-Centaur activates for the blitz. Moves 5 squares, hits a dwarf blocker, chooses not to follow up, and then rushes. Rolls a 1 on the rush. Immediately falls down, Blitz is over.

My question is, I know I don't get a Team RR on that, but he has Sure Feet... Why didn't the Sure Feet reroll trigger?
razmus



Joined: Jun 23, 2017
Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 17:42 Reply with quote Back to top
The skill starts with "Once per team turn,[...]" and blitz according to the errata/faq, isn't a team turn.

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razmus



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Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 17:47 Reply with quote Back to top
(And actually, the FAQ specially covers Sure Feet currently.)
Quote:
Q: Can the Sure Feet skill be used on moves outside of a player's activation, such as those provided from the Blitz results on the Kick-off Event table? (p75)
A: No. The Sure Feet skill can only be used during that player's activation.

I think they've messed up the terminology.. since Blitz says the players activate, but they've previously said the Blitz event isn't a team turn. >shrug<

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Prez



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Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 17:49 Reply with quote Back to top
Agree its not a TRR, due to it being a Blitz.

But thought built in skills allowing a RR can be implemented. Like Catch

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razmus



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Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 17:57 Reply with quote Back to top
Here's the guide for what is usable during a blitz kickoff event.

Catch doesn't say anything about being used during a team turn, but then... it's moot because there is nothing possible to catch during a Blitz kickoff event. (There's no ball during the kickoff event, and nothing can be thrown...)

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razmus



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Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 17:59 Reply with quote Back to top
Prez wrote:
But thought built in skills allowing a RR can be implemented. Like Catch


And rerolls for Dodge, for example, explicitly aren't available per the errata/FAQ.

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MerryZ



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Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 18:19 Reply with quote Back to top
Sure feet skill also says "once per team turn" so thats not on blitz kickoff

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Carthage



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Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 18:28 Reply with quote Back to top
Because GW hates consistency in their rules.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2025 - 18:54 Reply with quote Back to top
You might find useful to check this:
https://fumbbl.com/note/christer/SkillUsage
as general reference about the skills disabled by "Blitz!" event.
Nightbird



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2025 - 00:22 Reply with quote Back to top
razmus wrote:
Here's the guide for what is usable during a blitz kickoff event.



Hmmm...Pro can be used on a Blitz. Interesting. I guess because it is not guaranteed?

Also, aside from Y/N, what does the "-" stand for?

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The_Murker



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Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2025 - 01:02 Reply with quote Back to top
- = "Does not apply

Catch is a "-" Because there can never be anything to catch on a BLITZ.
Jump Up is a "-" because no one is ever on the ground to begin a BLITZ, etc. etc.

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Prez



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2025 - 11:36 Reply with quote Back to top
I used Catch as albeit a poor example of where a player's built in skills can be used as a RR.
Such as 'High Kick' result, a catcher can rr a failed catch. Other players can not use TRR for a failed catch

So seems a bit stupid that a BC with SF can not use it on the Blitz.
To be pedantic maybe players block, shouldn't be allowed to use it on the Blitz!

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Sp00keh



Joined: Dec 06, 2011
Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2025 - 12:48 Reply with quote Back to top
It's a mess, it's inconsistent, and I don't think GW even realised

It all hinges on some skills saying 'Once per team turn..' which I think they put in to specify you can't use it multiple times in a single turn.
I don't think they intended to exclude Blitz! events, or opponent's turn


Hopefully it gets cleared up, in either new ruleset or a table similar to Christer's in the FAQ or something
razmus



Joined: Jun 23, 2017
Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2025 - 14:26 Reply with quote Back to top
Prez wrote:
So seems a bit stupid that a BC with SF can not use it on the Blitz.


Preaching to the choir my friend.

But then, I also think inaccurate passes, and conceding the game to win as a bit stupid too. Unfortunately the folks who write the rules aren't here.

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Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2025 - 15:28 Reply with quote Back to top
[quote="razmus"]
Prez wrote:
conceding the game to win as a bit stupid too.


I haven't come across that one, when & how does that happen?

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