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Drrek



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Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:00 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:


At the end of a season, the winner is the team who managed to get the highest total score."


The team with the highest score is the one that got the most wins before being frozen. Being frozen doesn't remove your score you muppet.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:06 Reply with quote Back to top

All the frozen teams with a number of wins lower than the top 1 team's win should be eliminated, because they can't beat it in the current Season.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:07 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
I thought that the current top 1 was Doomington (which is ranked 2 but top 1 team is frozen, which is misleading).
I watched fxiii playing lots of teams to rack as many wins as possible and I thought the goal was getting top 1, not just getting 10 wins.


The current top 1 is fxiii's [BT14] Freeze ! They have 18 wins.
Doomington's Hobolords have 16 wins.

What is misleading? 18 wins > 16 wins. Hoblords don't become top unless they can win at least 2 more games.

Am I missing something?

[BT14] Freeze ! can't win any more scoring games so it's out of their hands, but they are still top until someone else exceeds their score.

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Drrek



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Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:08 Reply with quote Back to top

koadah wrote:
MattDakka wrote:
I thought that the current top 1 was Doomington (which is ranked 2 but top 1 team is frozen, which is misleading).
I watched fxiii playing lots of teams to rack as many wins as possible and I thought the goal was getting top 1, not just getting 10 wins.


The current top 1 is fxiii's [BT14] Freeze ! They have 18 wins.
Doomington's Hobolords have 16 wins.

What is misleading? 18 wins > 16 wins. Hoblords don't become top unless they can win at least 2 more games.

Am I missing something?

[BT14] Freeze ! can't win any more scoring games so it's out of their hands, but they are still top until someone else exceeds their score.


You're missing that Dakka is a dunce.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:16 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
All the frozen teams with a number of wins lower than the top 1 team's win should be eliminated, because they can't beat it in the current Season.


That is not how things are usually done.

Usually you'd show the whole table. Or at least the top n if the table is large.

You don't hide teams because they can no longer win the title.

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MattDakka



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Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:18 Reply with quote Back to top

koadah wrote:
MattDakka wrote:
I thought that the current top 1 was Doomington (which is ranked 2 but top 1 team is frozen, which is misleading).
I watched fxiii playing lots of teams to rack as many wins as possible and I thought the goal was getting top 1, not just getting 10 wins.


The current top 1 is fxiii's [BT14] Freeze ! They have 18 wins.
Doomington's Hobolords have 16 wins.

What is misleading? 18 wins > 16 wins. Hoblords don't become top unless they can win at least 2 more games.

Am I missing something?

There is no need to see all the frozen teams with a lower score than the top 1 team's score.
It's extra unnecessary scroll down and visual space taken.
Maybe a top 10 list, but do we really need a top 100 list forced display?
Well, ok, there is no interest in efficiency, I get it.
I would make a default top 10 page, with a drop down menu to see the full team list, if desired.
That would be more efficient, but I understand that it's me.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:34 Reply with quote Back to top

I think that most people can handle 100.

It is probably not worth the effort required to add paging/hiding. BBT doesn't page and it has almost 300.

The choice is Christer's.

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MerryZ



Joined: Nov 28, 2005

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 16:38 Reply with quote Back to top

I like to see frozen teams in there, whats the problem ?

You see whos got those trophys, is nice.

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Chingis



Joined: Jul 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 17:16 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
Frozen teams should be eliminated, because they can't get the highest total score.


You are correct that they can't be the overall winner of the competition.

The misunderstanding or miscommunication maybe comes from the idea that every time any competition or contest happens, the identity of the overall winner is the one, sole thing that matters, and everything else is irrelevant and may as well not have happened.
HaruHaru



Joined: Sep 05, 2019

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 17:53 Reply with quote Back to top

Additionally MattDakka, if the top position is the only important metric to you that's not an issue since it's right there at the top of the list, no?

Or do you want to easily scout out your potential competition?
I personally think the Freeze icons work pretty well in that regard.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 17:58 Reply with quote Back to top

It boils down to having rankings including all the teams (frozen and active) and updated rankings with frozen teams with lower-than-top-1 record removed from the list.
Anyway, I was fooled by this sentence:

"Teams are active in the trophy until they have hit three losses. A tie counts as half a loss for this purpose."

I thought that "active" was "a team considered in the rankings" and "frozen" not active and not considered anymore in the rankings.
A team can be frozen but still matter for the rankings, if top 1.

HaruHaru wrote:
Additionally MattDakka, if the top position is the only important metric to you that's not an issue since it's right there at the top of the list, no?

Or do you want to easily scout out your potential competition?
I personally think the Freeze icons work pretty well in that regard.

I like visual order in things. I hate visual mess, because it hampers the readability.
I mean, I understand the importance of having the full list of all the teams taking part to the Trophy.
I'd like to have the full list as a menu option, not as the default displayed list. I'm interested in checking quickly the competitors, not the whole rankings.
Horses for courses. Anyway, got it, it's not important for the people here, ok, thanks for the feedback everybody!

koadah wrote:
Hoblords don't become top unless they can win at least 2 more games.

They can't become top 1 for this Season, I've just frozen them! Twisted Evil
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 18:19 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:

koadah wrote:
Hoblords don't become top unless they can win at least 2 more games.

They can't become top 1 for this Season, I've just frozen them! Twisted Evil


Smile

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Sp00keh



Joined: Dec 06, 2011

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 18:24 Reply with quote Back to top

Even skimming thru this thread, was a total waste of time
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 18:32 Reply with quote Back to top

At least we learned that a guy misread some text and may not be quite as mad as we'd feared. Twisted Evil

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Post   Posted: Jul 09, 2025 - 18:45 Reply with quote Back to top

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