MrCushtie
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Joined: Aug 10, 2018
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Mar 30, 2022 - 02:41 |
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naytsyrhc wrote: |
As an alternative I would love to have an implementation of the BB2020 redraft-rules in a competitive eternal league with the enforcement of redrafts for each team every e.g. 40 games. |
The good news is this is already planned (with redraft after 15 games). The bad news is it's not here yet. |
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naytsyrhc
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Joined: Jun 09, 2020
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Mar 30, 2022 - 10:29 |
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But will it be mixed again or is it either Black Box or Competitive? Or will Black Box replace Competitive? |
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naytsyrhc
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Joined: Jun 09, 2020
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Mar 30, 2022 - 10:32 |
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Quote: | What is the problem? New Black Box is coming. |
There is no problem. I just shared my thoughts about a MM algorithm and about resets in an eternal league. I just read the plans of the new black box (did not see that before) and think a reset after 15 games is ok to start with. Has to be refined maybe. Did not find any information about how the MM will probably work and thought it to be valuable to share my ideas. |
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koadah
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Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Mar 30, 2022 - 10:46 |
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C0ddlefish
Joined: Sep 17, 2019
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Mar 30, 2022 - 12:36 |
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Yeah, there was some debate on a forum thread somewhere. If I recall correctly it was largely whether matchmaking would be by TV, Game number (game number within a season?), or a combination |
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Garion26
Joined: Nov 28, 2021
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Mar 30, 2022 - 20:53 |
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naytsyrhc wrote: | I just thought about that possibility to choose your opponent for while. I think the freedom of choice is always bad here and results in less games played or frustration.
A clever automatic algorithm is IMHO better in that aspect, as more games will be played and frustration can be minimized as the randomness makes the game interesting. It's boring to always face the same teams I only get offers for, because the other coaches see an advantage to challenge me with that team.
Isn't that the flaw of the system? Each coach will try to find the best opponent to win against and thus naturally there are less possible matchings.
With automatic selection of the opponents by games played, TV, CR and maybe (as said already) latest opponents races, there is much more variation and more possible matches. Or is that a wrong assumption? |
I don't think it's a wrong assumption per se but it may be a wrong to assume that would make all players happier. So I think the question that has to be answered is the goal to create a more 'fair' matchmaker, a more 'interesting' matchmaker, or one that makes more players happy, or makes fewer players unhappy (those two aren't really the same). Getting to duck a bad matchup probably keeps some people happy who would be very unhappy with a disadvantageous pairing.
Christer has commented in the past that allowing wider TV ranges in matchmaking in Competitive has not been well received by all players.
Somebody playing Amazons runs into Dwarves may be really unhappy about it when they are used to being able to exclude the matchup.
Should they be able to exclude the matchup is a question of what are we trying to achieve. Like you I'm used to BB2 where you spin the matchmaker and get what you get without choice. But it's worth noting that CCL with it's built in forced team resets every season is different then C as currently implemented. I've realized a team with 30 games and the same TV as my team may be at a very different competitiveness level (Block on the big guy for example is worth a lot more then 30K of skills on the linemen and takes a lot longer to achieve.)
To me a matchmaker with similar games played and similar but not exactly the same TV without the option to duck match ups is more interesting. But it's fair to recognize at higher TV's a kill team matchup may permanently kill a good portion of one team. |
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Perezoso
Joined: Dec 02, 2021
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May 16, 2022 - 01:46 |
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Suggestion, show the user's average time per turn they spend, so slower players like me don't get matches offered/accepted by Super Fast Star users. |
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Stimme
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Joined: Jun 30, 2013
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May 16, 2022 - 16:26 |
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jpereza wrote: | Suggestion, show the user's average time per turn they spend, so slower players like me don't get matches offered/accepted by Super Fast Star users. |
Consider writing that you are a slow player here:
https://fumbbl.com/p/about?c=jpereza
You can also list your favourite fruit, and an inspirational quote!
Alternatively, start your team names with [4 min turns], I am sure people will get the hint. |
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Garion26
Joined: Nov 28, 2021
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May 16, 2022 - 18:14 |
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Thats quite a good idea if you know you are on one end of the time spectrum |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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May 16, 2022 - 19:27 |
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koadah wrote: | What is the problem? New Black Box is coming. |
+1
Also I need a serious box of Popcorn! |
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Melmoth
Joined: May 05, 2004
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May 17, 2022 - 11:55 |
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Java wrote: |
Ah, the old "I've beaten you more than you've beaten me, so my opinion is more valid than yours and you should shut up" argument.
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Ok, we are the only ones allowed to discuss something now as our record against each other is exactly 3:3, 6:6 TD and 12:12 Cas (probably all games played in cups also). ![Cool](./modules/PNphpBB2/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif) |
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Azur
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Joined: Nov 13, 2020
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May 17, 2022 - 12:30 |
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Gentlemen, you MUST settle that draw.
And it should be a public event.
Fans demand it. |
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Java
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Joined: Jan 27, 2018
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May 17, 2022 - 20:07 |
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awambawamb
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Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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May 18, 2022 - 00:09 |
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I have a 4:3 against Matt |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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May 18, 2022 - 02:20 |
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I'm 2-0 vs awambawamb, and my name is also Matt.
Vengeance is Matt's! |
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