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Gnoblar



Joined: Mar 01, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 15:02 Reply with quote Back to top

So if any of you are into Secret League I'm sure you've noticed this team down at the bottom which is unsure about. It's been there a long time and I love the idea of it and so I decided to update it and add some ideas and see what people think as well as to bring it into line with the new referee models and new fluff in the new releases (fling refs for example). Huge thanks to Garion and Harvestmouse for creating the original.

Link to the SL roster


My proposed roster is:

0-12 Human Line Ref 50,000: 6/3/3/7, Sneaky Git G/ASP

0-2 Dwarf Ref 60,000: 5/3/2/8, Thick Skull, Block GS/AP

0-1 Elf Ref 60,000: 6/3/4/7, Animosity GA/SP

0-1 Halfling Ref 40,000: 5/2/3/6, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Swarming A/GSP

0-1 Goblin Ref 50,000: 6/2/3/7, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Stab A/GSP

0-1 Ogre Enforcer 140,000 5/5/2/9, Loner, Bone Head, Thick Skull, Chainsaw, Kick Team-mate S/GAP

0-1 Grounds Keeper 240,000 4/7/1/10, Loner, Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, No Hands, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP

Reroll: 70k
Apo - YES

Other ideas and changes: I did plan on giving the Human lineman mass sneaky git but I didn't like building a team so committed to fouling so just gave it to the sneaky goblin!

I'm not a fan of the elf and didn't want to add him but as there is a model for him I thought best to keep him. He was given Animosity to give him some negatrait

The Fling has swarming to represent the refs letting him sneak on the field, I only wanted to give one player swarming so it was limited.

The Ogre now has kick team mate, his hands ae busy with a chainsaw so cant throw but he can still kick the little lads!

Because of the new positions I reduced the dorfs down to 2 and they are technically 3 with the Grounds Keeper.


I have playtested this roster a couple of times and have loved it. The chainsaw big guy is totally new and fresh for the game.

Prices might need changing, I upped gobbo and fling by 10k for their new skills. They may get the cheap bribes too, thoughts on that.

I did envision adding a troll bomber to the team but that would just be used as a normal big guy and with the death Roller it was too much.

Thoughts and comments welcome and yes I am aware that BB2020 is coming soon but I will still be playing old school and want to take this roster when I can.


Icons:
The team needs fresh icons and also maybe new portraits or just be posistional portraits

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I think this is a good base to work from with the stripes. I don't think black and white stripes would work as it would be hard to distinguish which team is which and also the match refs would be wearing it so i think the coloured stripes works best. If anyone fancies making them I'd be happy to make a donation as always!

Another potential roster is to make it similar to UW with fling lineman:


And if we fancied fling lineman the team would be kind of Underworldy as opposed to straight stunty but I think that's good too.

0-12 Fling Line Ref 40,000: 5/2/3/6, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Sneaky Git A/GSP

0-2 Human Ref 40,000: 6/3/3/7, G/ASP

0-1 Dwarf Ref 60,000: 5/3/2/8, Thick Skull, Block GS/AP

0-1 Elf Ref 60,000: 6/3/4/7, Animosity GA/SP

0-1 Goblin Ref 50,000: 6/2/3/7, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Swarming A/GSP

0-1 Ogre Enforcer140,000 5/5/2/9, Loner, Bone Head, Thick Skull, Chainsaw, Kick Team-mate S/GAP

0-1 Grounds Keeper 240,000 4/7/1/10, Loner, Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, No Hands, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP

Reroll: 70k
Apo - YES


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mekutata



Joined: May 03, 2015

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 15:03 Reply with quote Back to top

Great addition with the Goblin ref. Gud roster.

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ben_awesome



Joined: May 11, 2016

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 15:52 Reply with quote Back to top

I thought the swarming player needed to be setup and then let D3 other players with swarming onto the pitch, so a single player in the team with swarming wouldn't work.

So you need to allow at least 4 halfing refs onto the roster to make it useful (not that, that is a problem).

an option could be to increase number of goblins and flings available give the goblins swarming as well but give the goblins animosity (they don't like humans, dwarves or flings)

Don't forget to allow them to get bribes for 50k.


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Gnoblar



Joined: Mar 01, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 15:57 Reply with quote Back to top

ben_awesome wrote:
I thought the swarming player needed to be setup and then let D3 other players with swarming onto the pitch, so a single player in the team with swarming wouldn't work.

So you need to allow at least 4 halfing refs onto the roster to make it useful (not that, that is a problem).

Don't forget to allow them to get bribes for 50k.


I believe this is incorrect. If you have swarming players in your reserves at kick off then you roll the D3 so 1 player with swarming works. I know this because I've been doing it in the KPL with a single swarming dust goblin.

Good shout on the bribes, I did consider it but didn't want to give them too much straight off the bat. I may add it later.
ben_awesome



Joined: May 11, 2016

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 15:59 Reply with quote Back to top

Just reread the rule. you are correct.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/20/snotlings-storm-the-gridiron/
C0ddlefish



Joined: Sep 17, 2019

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 17:19 Reply with quote Back to top

With the new rules on their way surely there is room for Piledriver somewhere.....on the Dwarves?
Gnoblar



Joined: Mar 01, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 09, 2021 - 17:23 Reply with quote Back to top

C0ddlefish wrote:
With the new rules on their way surely there is room for Piledriver somewhere.....on the Dwarves?


I'll make a BB2020 updated version in a few days and I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion Smile for now this is just the LRB6 ruleset
Apus



Joined: Dec 21, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 12:44 Reply with quote Back to top

I have been thinking about a referee team. And considered Sneaky Git across the board. I have a few thoughts.

I think the key to make a fun new roster is to create a new puzzle to solve.

So here is my take on the puzzle

Basically a foul is like having 2 blitzes per turn. So if you have a team which is designed to foul and get away with it, you’d need to provide a sufficient balance.

The miniatures and pictures of referees all show them with minimal body armour.

So I think give the human refs Sneaky Git, but remove 1 point of AV. Also increase their price to 50K as sneaky git is a double skill for them.

0-12 Human 50,000: 6/3/3/6, Sneaky Git G/ASP

The team obviously can use weapons without being penalised.

So why not give the Dwarves bats to beat the opposition.

0-2 Dwarf with bat 70,000: 5/3/2/8, Thick Skull, Block, Mighty Blow GS/AP

I don’t like the elf, but if there is a miniature that supports this, then I think keep them in. No change to the armour, as elves don’t wear too much anyway

0-1 Elf 60,000: 6/3/4/7 Animosity GA/SP

I like swarming Halflings. But I’d have 0-4.

0-4 Fling 40,000: 5/2/3/6, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Swarming A/GSP

I think Goblin should be 0-2

0-2 Goblin 50,000: 6/2/3/7, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Sneaky Git A/GSP

Loving the Ogre. Though I might reduce the AV to 8 to represent little armour.
0-1 Ogre 120,000 5/5/2/8 Loner, Bone Head, Thick Skull, Chainsaw, Kick Team-mate S/GAP

Very Nice. Though a Str 7 permanently on the pitch for the whole match maybe OP. So maybe represent issues with the machinery working properly include Bone Head

0-1 Grounds Keeper 170,000 4/7/1/10, Loner, Bone Head, Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, No Hands, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP

So in summary

0-12 Human 50,000: 6/3/3/6, Sneaky Git G/ASP

0-2 Dwarf with bat 70,000: 5/3/2/8, Thick Skull, Block, Mighty Blow GS/AP

0-1 Elf 60,000: 6/3/4/7, Animosity GA/SP

0-4 Fling 40,000: 5/2/3/6, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Swarming A/GSP

0-2 Goblin 50,000: 6/2/3/7, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Sneaky Git A/GSP

0-1 Ogre 140,000 5/5/2/8, Loner, Bone Head, Thick Skull, Chainsaw, Kick Team-mate S/GAP

0-1 Grounds Keeper 200,000 4/7/1/10, Loner, Bone Head, Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, No Hands, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP
MrCushtie



Joined: Aug 10, 2018

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 18:53 Reply with quote Back to top

I like these, although starting with Mighty Blow and Block feels a bit overpowered - especially with the extra speed vs a Dwarf Blocker at 4/3/2/9. How about (when we get to 2020) Brawler instead of Block?

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Gnoblar



Joined: Mar 01, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 20:51 Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks Apus and also to Xpher in Discord for commenting on the roster.

I originally set up to make the human lineman with sneaky git but i know fouling is a controversial subject so didn't want to make a team too foul heavy but if people like it and as its a rarely used skill I'm happy to make the lineman sneaky git and 50k, I dont know about the armour bust though.

The dwarfs will defo not get mighty blow, they have str access anyway on a normal so are fine as but for BB2020 Brawler would be best I think but someone else suggested pile-driver but for now this is just LRB6 but I'll come up with a BB2020 roster when I can.

Now, I get what you're saying about wanting more flings and gobos but that becomes a problem because you could field a team of just positionals which I'm not a fan of. The reason I wanted to only have one player with swarming was to limit swarming to one. Ogres and snots get swarming but on str 1 av 5 players and having an extra 3 str2 av 6 players on the field seems too much hence why there is only one player.

One solution could be to make the human refs posistionals and have lineman as fling refs essentially making it a stunty team with swarming gobbos but again I'll have to think about it.

Now originally as said the gobbo got sneaky git because I wanted sg on the team and it fitted the gobbo but if the lineman are getting it maybe the gobbo gets stab?

I dont like the av bust suggestion on the ogre but im happy to relent if its supported. my feeling is this is a unique piece and av9 means his chainsaw wont backfire as much and it still has a bonehead roll to go through.

The Doom Roller is going to be recosted to 240k as its currently too cheap for a str7 player, maybe an additional negatrait but for now still fine.

0-12 Human 50,000: 6/3/3/7, Sneaky Git G/ASP

0-2 Dwarf 60,000: 5/3/2/8, Thick Skull, Block GS/AP

0-1 Elf 60,000: 6/3/4/7, Animosity GA/SP

0-1 Fling 40,000: 5/2/3/6, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Swarming A/GSP

0-1 Goblin 50,000: 6/2/3/7, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Stab A/GSP

0-1 Ogre 140,000 5/5/2/9, Loner, Bone Head, Thick Skull, Chainsaw, Kick Team-mate S/GAP

0-1 Grounds Keeper 240,000 4/7/1/10, Loner, Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, No Hands, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP

Reroll: 70k
Apo - YES


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Gnoblar



Joined: Mar 01, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 00:20 Reply with quote Back to top

I'm also desperate for a chainsaw ogre icon if anyone has one or is capable of making one! Smile
Apus



Joined: Dec 21, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 14:08 Reply with quote Back to top

I think goblin having stab could be changed. I did see on Discord someone mentioned a goblin with a sledge hammer. Skills - Mighty Blow and Dirty Player.

I also like the idea that the linemen should be the swarming halflings
mekutata



Joined: May 03, 2015

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 14:48 Reply with quote Back to top

Apus wrote:
I think goblin having stab could be changed. I did see on Discord someone mentioned a goblin with a sledge hammer. Skills - Mighty Blow and Dirty Player.

I also like the idea that the linemen should be the swarming halflings


Very Happy Love it. But the Goblin would need to lose Dodge and Right Stuff.

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Gnoblar



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Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 18:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Yea mb and dp seems too much but I like the idea.

Maybe we just make him swarming too and that is then 2 swarming players but I'm still uncomfortable with having more than one swarmer but I guess it fits thematically?
Gnoblar



Joined: Mar 01, 2017

Post   Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 18:19 Reply with quote Back to top

And if we fancied fling lineman the team would be kind of Underworldy as opposed to straight stunty but I think that's good too.

0-12 Fling 40,000: 5/2/3/6, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Sneaky Git A/GSP

0-2 Human 40,000: 6/3/3/7, G/ASP

0-1 Dwarf 60,000: 5/3/2/8, Thick Skull, Block GS/AP

0-1 Elf 60,000: 6/3/4/7, Animosity GA/SP

0-1 Goblin 50,000: 6/2/3/7, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Swarming A/GSP

0-1 Ogre 140,000 5/5/2/9, Loner, Bone Head, Thick Skull, Chainsaw, Kick Team-mate S/GAP

0-1 Grounds Keeper 240,000 4/7/1/10, Loner, Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, No Hands, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP

Reroll: 70k
Apo - YES
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