remetagross
Joined: Mar 09, 2023
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Apr 05, 2023 - 09:51 |
 
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The Vamps really are even worse than in BB2016, despite all the theorycrafting that they might not. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Apr 05, 2023 - 10:21 |
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Thing is with 'odd' teams like vamps, people try them for a couple games and then drop them quickly
So, if they're unusual and hard to get used to, it reflects badly on their winrate, it makes them look worse and their true potential might be higher
See also Ogres, and how strong some coaches like Strider84 are with them
I've not played vamps in 2020 rules, and I do think they probably are weaker now, but maybe it's also about the coaches / the playstyle is not easy
Someone described them as a revolver with 6 shots. You'll have a particular turn in which you're going in hard, and you have 6 shots to make the attempt. If one vamp fails their task, you pull the trigger on the next one, until you make it work and steal the ball
This is a very different approach to most other teams, so if that's the style that works for vamps, most coaches won't be familiar with playing like that
2016 vamps were a bit different - you wouldn't have continued the assault if you failed the first couple of rolls. You'd more likely initate each turn and see how far you got, and if it failed you'd call it off and try again next turn |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Apr 05, 2023 - 11:23 |
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If 6 shots means 6 Vampires, I rarely found a team with 6 Vampires. If I remember well, most of them had 5 or less Vampires. |
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Catalyst32
Joined: Jul 14, 2008
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Apr 05, 2023 - 12:18 |
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How is Underworld so high? Are they good now? Does having 1 Gutter Runner help that much? |
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BeanBelly
Joined: Nov 14, 2019
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Apr 05, 2023 - 12:53 |
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The GR is very potent for UW yes |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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| Java wrote: | The sorting algorithm on the y= and the &m= tables is a mystery to me
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It's the same sorting algorithm regardless of parameters. Sorted by highest win rate for the given row descending.
I put the page together in less than an hour and didn't bother doing a more sane sort order. I might go back to that page and add more stuff to it at some point though. |
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Java
Joined: Jan 27, 2018
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Apr 05, 2023 - 13:14 |
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Great to know. It looked so different from the table without parameters (less pleasantly coloured, so to speak) that I assumed there was something else at play.
As you said before, the page is full enough without a general win rate row/column, which that can be inferred now but is not overt info
Less than an hour, go figure, I thought that was a lot more. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Apr 05, 2023 - 14:12 |
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For some of the more remarkable stats, I do wonder what the number of games is. It must be pretty low. Eg on the 2023 data set, Dwarves beat Halflings 100% of the time
I also wonder, is it their overall winrate? or average of the individual winrates? (is it weighted by number of games against each opponent or not) |
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JuggerGonzo
Joined: Dec 23, 2014
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Apr 05, 2023 - 14:29 |
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Only Black Box stats are worth anything. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Apr 05, 2023 - 15:05 |
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I think it is that, already. It's only Scheduler [C] games, isn't it? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Apr 05, 2023 - 15:14 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Apr 05, 2023 - 16:14 |
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Still, it's better to have data without picking factor involved.
Amazons on GF can dodge Dwarfs, in the Box they can't.
Fact. |
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Java
Joined: Jan 27, 2018
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Apr 05, 2023 - 20:35 |
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| Sp00keh wrote: | | I think it is that, already. It's only Scheduler [C] games, isn't it? |
The roster stats page draws from the entire C dataset, but it doesn't matter
There has never been a statistically significant difference in winrates between Gamefinder and Scheduler |
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Wolbum
Joined: Jul 14, 2010
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Apr 06, 2023 - 00:36 |
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I am surprised to see Khorne lower than Nurgle when they seem superior in NAF=Tournaments. Why is that the case? |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Apr 06, 2023 - 10:07 |
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My guess:
Because assigning skills to Khorne makes a really big difference to solve their awful problems
And for Nurgle it makes less of a difference
Also, the people who select Khorne for tournaments will probably be good coaches, or at least confident coaches.
People who select Khorne on fumbbl are probably just intending to try it out, struggle for a few games, and then drop the team |
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