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2015-04-08 14:05:39
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3 votes, rating 5.7
The tale of Walter, Nigel and Bruce...
So assuming TT rules, and not the client....
My AG 5 Slann Catcher (Walter) with Pass Block is in between a Beast of Nurgle with Dump Off (Nigel, carrying the ball, directly North) and a Nurgle Warrior with Two Heads and Diving Tackle (Bruce, directly South) in the pouring rain. Slann Catcher (Walter, feeling cheeky), blocks the the Beast of Nurgle (Nigel, quirky as always) who declares a Dump Off to the Nurgle Warrior (Bruce, who knows what Nigel is like). After passing the Disturbing Presence roll, and in the Pass Block step, the Slann Catcher (Walter, with a cunning grin) attempts to move one square to the east into the nurgle end zone and passes the Tentacles roll with an 11, and the dodge roll with a 4. The Nurgle Warrior, (Bruce, realising that an intercept could be a touchdown) declares Diving Tackle, making the Slann Catcher (Walter, who thought he'd got away with it) reroll his dodge. The Slann Catcher (Walter, jammy bugger that he is) spends a team re-roll and 6. The Slann Catcher (Walter, now seemingly out of luck) rolls a 2 for the intercept, the Beast of Nurgle (Nigel, who has barely got started) rolls a 6 for the Dump Off. What roll does the Slann Catcher (Walter, who is confused himself) now require to catch the ball with Diving Catch and why? Also, if he takes the catch, does he still have to block the Beast of Nurgle (Nigel, who for a Really Stupid player is over the moon that he understands all this)?
My AG 5 Slann Catcher (Walter) with Pass Block is in between a Beast of Nurgle with Dump Off (Nigel, carrying the ball, directly North) and a Nurgle Warrior with Two Heads and Diving Tackle (Bruce, directly South) in the pouring rain. Slann Catcher (Walter, feeling cheeky), blocks the the Beast of Nurgle (Nigel, quirky as always) who declares a Dump Off to the Nurgle Warrior (Bruce, who knows what Nigel is like). After passing the Disturbing Presence roll, and in the Pass Block step, the Slann Catcher (Walter, with a cunning grin) attempts to move one square to the east into the nurgle end zone and passes the Tentacles roll with an 11, and the dodge roll with a 4. The Nurgle Warrior, (Bruce, realising that an intercept could be a touchdown) declares Diving Tackle, making the Slann Catcher (Walter, who thought he'd got away with it) reroll his dodge. The Slann Catcher (Walter, jammy bugger that he is) spends a team re-roll and 6. The Slann Catcher (Walter, now seemingly out of luck) rolls a 2 for the intercept, the Beast of Nurgle (Nigel, who has barely got started) rolls a 6 for the Dump Off. What roll does the Slann Catcher (Walter, who is confused himself) now require to catch the ball with Diving Catch and why? Also, if he takes the catch, does he still have to block the Beast of Nurgle (Nigel, who for a Really Stupid player is over the moon that he understands all this)?
Comments
Posted by Leilond on 2015-04-08 14:20:20
I don't see why not. I don't think you can refuse to perform a declared action if you still have the opportunity do perform it. The only exception to this, written in the rule book, is a Vampire that fail the blood lust roll and can change a block in a movement.
Thus I think the catcher have to roll the block dices if the target is still standing and near him
Thus I think the catcher have to roll the block dices if the target is still standing and near him
Posted by DrPoods on 2015-04-08 14:29:02
This really needs to be broken up a bit! =D
Posted by C3I2 on 2015-04-08 15:15:17
Catch is a TD, so no block. However, I assume he cant catch on a scatter, so he could only catch if the dump-off was declared to a square not a player (or on the intercept that failed of course).
Posted by Leilond on 2015-04-08 15:52:14
Didn't understand it was in end zone... in that case no, you don't need to block because the TD immediately end the turn (except for vampires with blood lust activated, that have to feed before scoring)
And the precisation about the DT, that work only on pass, throw in, kickoff is very important. You cannot Diving Catch a bouncing ball, but if the dumpoff is an inaccurate pass, the ball can scatter near the catcher and he can try the diving catch
And the precisation about the DT, that work only on pass, throw in, kickoff is very important. You cannot Diving Catch a bouncing ball, but if the dumpoff is an inaccurate pass, the ball can scatter near the catcher and he can try the diving catch
Posted by Xeterog on 2015-04-08 20:41:19
The square that the pass is targeted to no longer has a standing player (he used DT).
Agility 5, in 1TZ and within 3 squares of 2 players with Disturbing presence...+1 because the pass was accurate (since he makes the catch as if it had landed in his own square)
2+ -3 + 1 = 4+ to catch the ball. Also, since you are standing with the ball you score and do not have to throw the block.
Note, he can use DC because the ball hasn't bounced yet.
however, the whole scenario is invalid because:
from the FAQ
Q: If you blitz or block an opponent with Dump-Off with a player that has
Pass Block can you use Pass Block to move after he declares his use of
Dump-Off? ....
A: No, once a block is declared as part of a Block or Blitz Action, you
must attempt to complete it before moving again. ...
Walter could not have used Pass Block to move into the EZ in the 1st place.
Agility 5, in 1TZ and within 3 squares of 2 players with Disturbing presence...+1 because the pass was accurate (since he makes the catch as if it had landed in his own square)
2+ -3 + 1 = 4+ to catch the ball. Also, since you are standing with the ball you score and do not have to throw the block.
Note, he can use DC because the ball hasn't bounced yet.
however, the whole scenario is invalid because:
from the FAQ
Q: If you blitz or block an opponent with Dump-Off with a player that has
Pass Block can you use Pass Block to move after he declares his use of
Dump-Off? ....
A: No, once a block is declared as part of a Block or Blitz Action, you
must attempt to complete it before moving again. ...
Walter could not have used Pass Block to move into the EZ in the 1st place.
Posted by Wreckage on 2015-04-08 20:41:37
Not sure I understood it either.
I'll try to sum it up: The intended catcher for the pass is down because he just used DT. Consequentially the ball is now thrown at an empty square that is adjacent to a catcher with DC from the other team in the endzone.
The pass is accurate? Which means +1 but not in the DCs square. The DC is ag4, meaning he catches it on a 2+ normally, but BoN and Nurgle Warrior have both whatsitcalled? Foul Appearance or Disturbing Presence or whatever so each +1.
Meaning the catch is on a 4+. If the Catcher is still standing next to the BoN that would be another +1, meaning 5+.
Contrary to Leilond I believe that if I block can be executed it must be executed AFTER the catch. The situation with the vampire failing bloodlust is not the exception but the rule: It is a TD only when a player is standing with the ball in his hands at the end of an action.
Respectively it's not a TD if you frenzy a carrier through the endzone either. (I think.)
But accurately and logistically I'd assume that, or house rule that a pass block cannot be performed by a player in the middle of a block. If you allow this you pretty much end up in a realm of fantastic possibilities.
Stricly rule specificially thought I guess you could argue that he even has to perform the block if he was not standing next to the target player anymore because the case is not regulated by the rules and they simply state that it has to be executed. But from of that, whether he is next to the BoN on another square or can only perform the block action from the same square he was on when the action started is pretty much up to imagination.
I think the cleanest solution is really to disallow the blocker to use pass block.
I'll try to sum it up: The intended catcher for the pass is down because he just used DT. Consequentially the ball is now thrown at an empty square that is adjacent to a catcher with DC from the other team in the endzone.
The pass is accurate? Which means +1 but not in the DCs square. The DC is ag4, meaning he catches it on a 2+ normally, but BoN and Nurgle Warrior have both whatsitcalled? Foul Appearance or Disturbing Presence or whatever so each +1.
Meaning the catch is on a 4+. If the Catcher is still standing next to the BoN that would be another +1, meaning 5+.
Contrary to Leilond I believe that if I block can be executed it must be executed AFTER the catch. The situation with the vampire failing bloodlust is not the exception but the rule: It is a TD only when a player is standing with the ball in his hands at the end of an action.
Respectively it's not a TD if you frenzy a carrier through the endzone either. (I think.)
But accurately and logistically I'd assume that, or house rule that a pass block cannot be performed by a player in the middle of a block. If you allow this you pretty much end up in a realm of fantastic possibilities.
Stricly rule specificially thought I guess you could argue that he even has to perform the block if he was not standing next to the target player anymore because the case is not regulated by the rules and they simply state that it has to be executed. But from of that, whether he is next to the BoN on another square or can only perform the block action from the same square he was on when the action started is pretty much up to imagination.
I think the cleanest solution is really to disallow the blocker to use pass block.
Posted by Xeterog on 2015-04-08 20:44:08
I was wrong about one thing above. He would have to throw the block.
A team scores a TD during their turn when one of their players is standing at the END of any of your player's actions.. (pg 15)
Note that this is different from scoring in your opponents turn, as then you just have to be standing in the EZ at any point during your opponents turn.
A team scores a TD during their turn when one of their players is standing at the END of any of your player's actions.. (pg 15)
Note that this is different from scoring in your opponents turn, as then you just have to be standing in the EZ at any point during your opponents turn.
Posted by Xeterog on 2015-04-08 20:46:10
@Wreckage: For frenzy, it is a TD, as you are forcing the player to score in your turn (not theirs), so they score as soon as they enter the EZ standing with the ball..no 2nd block from frenzy (this exact scenario is in the FAQ as well)
Posted by Wreckage on 2015-04-08 20:54:27
So, ok.
To sum it up. Pass Block does not work and.. if a player is in the endzone and performs a block against a pass blocker and catches the ball in the process, he still has to perform the block. Agreed?
To sum it up. Pass Block does not work and.. if a player is in the endzone and performs a block against a pass blocker and catches the ball in the process, he still has to perform the block. Agreed?
Posted by Xeterog on 2015-04-09 00:34:25
well dump off, but correct, since during your turn, you only score a TD once your action is completed.
Posted by Leilond on 2015-04-09 17:18:13
Contrary to Leilond I believe that if I block can be executed it must be executed AFTER the catch. The situation with the vampire failing bloodlust is not the exception but the rule: It is a TD only when a player is standing with the ball in his hands at the end of an action.
Not exactly. If I move my player and enter the endzone, the action is AUTOMATICALLY ENDED, and I cannot CONTINUE to move and exit the ENDZONE and so not score the TD because "I'm not in the endzone at the end of the action"
So, tecnically, we can also think that entering the endzone for whatever reason, END the action and cause a TD, except when the rules say otherwise (like in the Vampire bloodlust).
It's very interesting.
Not exactly. If I move my player and enter the endzone, the action is AUTOMATICALLY ENDED, and I cannot CONTINUE to move and exit the ENDZONE and so not score the TD because "I'm not in the endzone at the end of the action"
So, tecnically, we can also think that entering the endzone for whatever reason, END the action and cause a TD, except when the rules say otherwise (like in the Vampire bloodlust).
It's very interesting.
Posted by Xeterog on 2015-04-09 20:54:33
actually, you can continue to move (according to the rules) after entering the EZ. However if you have the ball, you can not leave the EZ voluntarily for any reason during the same action, nor may you pass/hand-off the ball. So, when you end your move, you will score if you are still standing.
(note, if you don't have the ball, you can move in and out of the EZ however you wish).
So, entering the EZ does not automatically end the action. So if you were blitzing, you could throw a block from the EZ as long as you don't voluntarily leave the EZ as part of that block.
(note, if you don't have the ball, you can move in and out of the EZ however you wish).
So, entering the EZ does not automatically end the action. So if you were blitzing, you could throw a block from the EZ as long as you don't voluntarily leave the EZ as part of that block.