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2012-02-15 15:30:41
15 votes, rating 5.5
15 votes, rating 5.5
stalling
just curious as it looks as though I may have the good fortune of yet again rolling the dice in a RL TT league coming up....
but for all of you'z that play in say NAF or other fancy leagues I read so much about (and get exceedingly jealous over), what's the take on stalling in RL tourneys/leagues? is it frowned upon at all? would one generally declare that they are the stalling type before the start of the match?
just asking as last time I played in a league it was... well let's just say unwelcome, and could result in board flipping brawls
this may or may not be of value, but I'm hoping I can get away with saying something like: "well you see there's this site called fumbbl, and there are a lot of experienced coaches there who vouch for "X" or "Y". ie, I'd like to employ the stall tactic that I've learned to love so much thanks to playing here.
cheers!
JP
but for all of you'z that play in say NAF or other fancy leagues I read so much about (and get exceedingly jealous over), what's the take on stalling in RL tourneys/leagues? is it frowned upon at all? would one generally declare that they are the stalling type before the start of the match?
just asking as last time I played in a league it was... well let's just say unwelcome, and could result in board flipping brawls
this may or may not be of value, but I'm hoping I can get away with saying something like: "well you see there's this site called fumbbl, and there are a lot of experienced coaches there who vouch for "X" or "Y". ie, I'd like to employ the stall tactic that I've learned to love so much thanks to playing here.
cheers!
JP
Comments
Posted by liquidorange on 2012-02-15 15:36:56
If you think it's going to result in board-flipping brawls, I'd give your opponent a heads up before the game starts.
"I plan on using any means necessary to win - my orcs/chaos/wood elves are beyond playing like gentlemen. They play for blood and victory."
... and bring your boxing gloves, just in case.
"I plan on using any means necessary to win - my orcs/chaos/wood elves are beyond playing like gentlemen. They play for blood and victory."
... and bring your boxing gloves, just in case.
Posted by lizvis on 2012-02-15 15:52:42
board flipping brawls? what kind of unstable wackos with no appreciation for strategy were you playing with?
Posted by Jumboparagon on 2012-02-15 15:54:51
well it was the '90s
Posted by pythrr on 2012-02-15 16:01:54
hahahahaaaa
this is a joke question, right? right...?
this is a joke question, right? right...?
Posted by Cloggy on 2012-02-15 16:04:33
I can honestly say I never-ever stall in our local TT league myself.
I think it all depends on the setting. Our league plays in a pub and it's quite a social gathering. Winning is great, but not something you want to achieve at the cost of having fun. Setting up camp on the opposing endzone line isn't fun.
In a more competitive league I can imagine I would stall. In TT tournies I stall when on the top 75% of tables. When playing something crap and camping on the bottom tables I tend not to bother :)
I think it all depends on the setting. Our league plays in a pub and it's quite a social gathering. Winning is great, but not something you want to achieve at the cost of having fun. Setting up camp on the opposing endzone line isn't fun.
In a more competitive league I can imagine I would stall. In TT tournies I stall when on the top 75% of tables. When playing something crap and camping on the bottom tables I tend not to bother :)
Posted by maysrill on 2012-02-15 16:09:30
I can barely get my friends to play anymore, so I'll do what it takes not to antagonize them. I rarely foul, barely bash, and throw/score more than I would around here.
(they still get all grumpy when I go undefeated for the season with some underpowered race)
(they still get all grumpy when I go undefeated for the season with some underpowered race)
Posted by the_Sage on 2012-02-15 16:34:06
In normal league play, I don't stall. Hell, even in Ranked on fumbbl I don't stall if I think I have a reasonable shot at a steal (say, more than 9 elves left, one with leap strip ball). This is mostly because I think it's more fun for both opponents, and it gets you more spps per game.
In tabletop tournament play, I will stall. I'll say I don't like it but it wins games.
In tabletop tournament play, I will stall. I'll say I don't like it but it wins games.
Posted by Woodstock on 2012-02-15 16:46:13
Stalling is fine... if only I did stall in TT matches... Would've won the first tournament I participated in :(
Posted by Beerox on 2012-02-15 16:53:24
1. If you're worried about a physical confrontation, you need to find someone else to play with.
2. If you're worried about a physical confrontation, you need to find someone else to play with.
3. If you stall on me I will either send desperate wave after wave at the ball carrier, or I will foul constantly. And I expect the same from anyone else. I don't see what's unfun about it. If you dodge into my cage and dislodge the ball, it's an epic play. If you foul my players to death as I stall, it's hilarious and I deserve it. That's good times, what's the problem?
Nevermind that stalling is sound strategy, and a fine art to execute or prevent...
Perhaps you can tell the other players you won't stall as long as they won't block your LOS players after the kickoff, or try to score before the half :)
2. If you're worried about a physical confrontation, you need to find someone else to play with.
3. If you stall on me I will either send desperate wave after wave at the ball carrier, or I will foul constantly. And I expect the same from anyone else. I don't see what's unfun about it. If you dodge into my cage and dislodge the ball, it's an epic play. If you foul my players to death as I stall, it's hilarious and I deserve it. That's good times, what's the problem?
Nevermind that stalling is sound strategy, and a fine art to execute or prevent...
Perhaps you can tell the other players you won't stall as long as they won't block your LOS players after the kickoff, or try to score before the half :)
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2012-02-15 17:41:03
Well no harm asking your opponent 'What's your take on stalling?' before the game, eh?
Posted by PeteW on 2012-02-15 17:42:24
I have beent o a few NAF tournies. :D
If you are on the top tables, playing good coaches, with good teams, then stalling is almost compulsory! If you don't stall on them (assuming it is safe to do so) then you will get an amused eyebrow raise. (And then be beaten 2-1 as the score in the 5 turns you left them and then stall you out for 8 turns.)
If you are on the bottom tables, playing a guy with bad teeth who is using halflings, who has lost 3 games so far, then stalling is kind of lame. He won't flip the board at ou, but you will become the butt of a number of his jokes. :D
Enjoy your tournies! RL rocks.
If you are on the top tables, playing good coaches, with good teams, then stalling is almost compulsory! If you don't stall on them (assuming it is safe to do so) then you will get an amused eyebrow raise. (And then be beaten 2-1 as the score in the 5 turns you left them and then stall you out for 8 turns.)
If you are on the bottom tables, playing a guy with bad teeth who is using halflings, who has lost 3 games so far, then stalling is kind of lame. He won't flip the board at ou, but you will become the butt of a number of his jokes. :D
Enjoy your tournies! RL rocks.
Posted by Cribbleobblepie on 2012-02-15 17:49:13
Wow, really? Some of the comments here really surprise me?
I'd say if I DIDN'T stall people would wonder what I was doing.
My local league is a fairly highly competetive group I'd say, and all well travelled regular tournament players. We know clock management is a massive part of teh game and would never raise an eyebrow to a 16 turn stomp grind bash stall, we'd criticise if anything if the opponent didn't do it.
Similarly, at tournaments I go to have a good time with likeminded people, drink some beers, enjoy myself, and try and do well. I'd never think anything negative of anyone who stalled on me, and wouldn't think twice about stalling/fouling/whatever against someone else.
Fair enough if your gaming group are part timers and/or not as good as you, then if it's going to turn them off or seriously affect their enjoyment I can see why you wouldn't. But I genuinely can't see anyone who knows what they are doing ever be offended by you trying your best to win.
The age old arguement holds true I guess, if you don't want my Dorfs/Orcs/generic bash team to stall on you, then don't pass or dodge with your elves?
I'd say if I DIDN'T stall people would wonder what I was doing.
My local league is a fairly highly competetive group I'd say, and all well travelled regular tournament players. We know clock management is a massive part of teh game and would never raise an eyebrow to a 16 turn stomp grind bash stall, we'd criticise if anything if the opponent didn't do it.
Similarly, at tournaments I go to have a good time with likeminded people, drink some beers, enjoy myself, and try and do well. I'd never think anything negative of anyone who stalled on me, and wouldn't think twice about stalling/fouling/whatever against someone else.
Fair enough if your gaming group are part timers and/or not as good as you, then if it's going to turn them off or seriously affect their enjoyment I can see why you wouldn't. But I genuinely can't see anyone who knows what they are doing ever be offended by you trying your best to win.
The age old arguement holds true I guess, if you don't want my Dorfs/Orcs/generic bash team to stall on you, then don't pass or dodge with your elves?
Posted by Jumboparagon on 2012-02-15 18:34:17
good stuff & thanks for the comments.
still kinda wishy washy though...
as far as I can tell there really arnt any unwritten rules out there. guess u have to guage each game separately. I fear then it'll likely still to be frowned upon as it can take away from "fun" in a leisure league.
I bought me some shiny new lizardmen figs I'm all school girl excited to convert & paint. Will have to diplomatically explain that planning many a skink park behind a wall'o-saurus is a necessesity to liz strategy.
From past experiences, the problems arose during dicings where the stall was set up not necesarily by lack of skill or defence, just pure slaughter dice. Then your opp having to sit there taking fouls and excess pain while you're in prime position (sure heroic cage breaking can happen... but offen leads to even more pain).
Doesnt have the same effect on here as in RL where you have to look yr opp in the eyes and maybe even apologize as u waist his team while your ball carrier does a taunting little jig on the end zone line (sorry lizvis... seems the pair I temporarily grew fell off)
also... the board flipping brawl thing onyl happened once . was a hilarious, isolated incident, but I'm from the land of hockey, and a good old fashion "jerseying" can happen at any moment :D
but yes Beerox... we'll screen entries to the league for anger management ;)
here's to hoping I can make it across the pond one of these days to see how things roll over there and get a feel for the ins & outs first hand (many-a good coach here I'd love to have a beer with during some competitive play). certainly on the bucket list.
still kinda wishy washy though...
as far as I can tell there really arnt any unwritten rules out there. guess u have to guage each game separately. I fear then it'll likely still to be frowned upon as it can take away from "fun" in a leisure league.
I bought me some shiny new lizardmen figs I'm all school girl excited to convert & paint. Will have to diplomatically explain that planning many a skink park behind a wall'o-saurus is a necessesity to liz strategy.
From past experiences, the problems arose during dicings where the stall was set up not necesarily by lack of skill or defence, just pure slaughter dice. Then your opp having to sit there taking fouls and excess pain while you're in prime position (sure heroic cage breaking can happen... but offen leads to even more pain).
Doesnt have the same effect on here as in RL where you have to look yr opp in the eyes and maybe even apologize as u waist his team while your ball carrier does a taunting little jig on the end zone line (sorry lizvis... seems the pair I temporarily grew fell off)
also... the board flipping brawl thing onyl happened once . was a hilarious, isolated incident, but I'm from the land of hockey, and a good old fashion "jerseying" can happen at any moment :D
but yes Beerox... we'll screen entries to the league for anger management ;)
here's to hoping I can make it across the pond one of these days to see how things roll over there and get a feel for the ins & outs first hand (many-a good coach here I'd love to have a beer with during some competitive play). certainly on the bucket list.
Posted by WhatBall on 2012-02-15 18:43:17
Hmmm, JP in a TT league. Makes me want to strap on the big spiked boots and show up in person to teach the Abe special™.
Have fun sir!
Have fun sir!
Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2012-02-15 19:17:34
I had someone quit my league cos i stalled - always best to ask first in my experience
Posted by harvestmouse on 2012-02-15 20:27:37
Official tourney = Stalling is part of the game.
Local league/group of friends = Find out the lay of the land first.
Posted by nexusvalhees on 2012-02-15 22:41:53
The only time I really hate stalling is when I've cleared the pitch at that point I feel kind of lame with nothing to do
Posted by PeteW on 2012-02-15 23:13:35
Nexusvahlees - that is when you make a smiley face with your players on the pitch. :D
Posted by Arktoris on 2012-02-16 03:47:00
I don't remember stalling in my tabletop league. Not because people might flip the board or flip you the bird, but because of the intense laughter you'd get if you lost the game all because you simply didn't cross the endzone...no flubbed rolls, open road. Yet, you simply didn't cross the line.
and foolishly gave your opponent the opportunity to smack you down.
the group would never have let that one go. oh the embarrassment for life.
and foolishly gave your opponent the opportunity to smack you down.
the group would never have let that one go. oh the embarrassment for life.
Posted by Raughri on 2012-02-16 11:00:08
Stalling in a tournament (and possibly a league, dependant on incentives for TD scoring) is definitely fair enough and I think most people would agree on that.
Stalling in other games is where the disagreement comes I should imagine. Personally against it, but can see why it is done.
As has been said, judge each situation individually. Although if you are trying to convert new players to the game, I think stalling is a terrible idea.
Stalling in other games is where the disagreement comes I should imagine. Personally against it, but can see why it is done.
As has been said, judge each situation individually. Although if you are trying to convert new players to the game, I think stalling is a terrible idea.
Posted by the_Sage on 2012-02-16 11:05:01
It's often not a 'gauge per game' issue, though. Your local league will quite likely have settled into a convention regarding this, and once you know that, it's fine.
@Arktoris: Yup, that's how I lost the finals of the Dutch Open last week. Made a lovely cage-chainpush steal against undead, and stalled with my blodger 1 sq from the endzone. A combination of a 1 (no reroll) from me and a pow (no reroll) from the opponent, and a double skull from me left both the first half and the game 0-0.
@Arktoris: Yup, that's how I lost the finals of the Dutch Open last week. Made a lovely cage-chainpush steal against undead, and stalled with my blodger 1 sq from the endzone. A combination of a 1 (no reroll) from me and a pow (no reroll) from the opponent, and a double skull from me left both the first half and the game 0-0.
Posted by Corvidius on 2012-02-16 15:26:40
In tournaments stalling is standard practice. In leagues it depends on how many tournament or Fumbbl players there are as to accetable it is. If using Dwarves it's always acceptable. Only leagues that are isolated from the tournie scene will be completely anti stalling.
Posted by SkavenLordVinshqueek on 2012-02-16 22:48:33
At the league I play in, my general take is not to stall, continue to play and just give both teams the chance to gather some SPP's. Then again, I can imagine the somewhat more competitive leagues do this otherwise.
For tournaments, at the higher-placed tables, I'd be somewhat surprised not to see stalling occur. Me playing Goblins usually means I don't have to worry about that, though. :-)
For tournaments, at the higher-placed tables, I'd be somewhat surprised not to see stalling occur. Me playing Goblins usually means I don't have to worry about that, though. :-)