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(Long Read) Is fantasy football a waste of time?
Fantasy football is a bit of a waste of time. It's not like chess or Go or even poker which can be played at a professional level. All fantasy football players are hobbyists and the hobby can easily become meaningless. It's meaningless because most of what we do is unconscious. In general, people play fantasy football for fun, they are unconsciously working with their emotions. For whatever reason; they need a break, relief from work, to cheer up but knowingly or not they are working with their emotions. Actively and consciously gaming bring meaning to fantasy football. This requires always being conscious of the dice/emotions, which fuel our reactions. Meaning in fantasy football comes from controlling emotions, particularly extreme and confused emotions, generally called tilt.

There are other meaningful schools of thought. Most are based on risk management, which is useful for real life, unlike a competitive ranking. In my opinion the best is an equity based system called the "school of no dice". This was a term coined by a great coach called Spence, aka dionysian. He is one of the rare coaches who does not play fantasy football for fun. His theory replaces dice with equity, the value of a risk and chooses, "the maximum gain on average", every time. Individual dice rolls no longer matter.

My wish is to take this school a step further, beyond gain and loss, to how to we attribute value in the first place. The emotions and the too often tragic game state that arise are most interesting to me. Tilt is why fantasy football is not suitable for children. It's more like playing with fire. We can have positive tilt when we're feeling lucky. Most people enjoy winning, this is perhaps also the addictive side of the game. There is also negative tilt where, due to disappointment, one no longer makes logical decisions. These are both real and somewhat harmful but they form the basis for how fantasy football can be a meaningful hobby. The game becomes a way to practice working with emotions, which drive our subconscious before, during and after a game. It is the unconscious reason most coaches sat down to play in the first place.

I encourage you to take calculated risks and also get upset when your players die. It's not by ignoring our emotions that we will control them but by becoming familiar with them. On the positive tilt side, a calculated risk would be knowing that the rolls so far have been below average because you have been counting the block/removal results or simply recognizing the game is lost unless some player does something heroic this turn. And when Nuffle says, "No", then the roleplay aspect of the game can help. Perhaps that player turned up more drunk than usual or simply missed practice last week. I believe it is beneficial to mourn the departed because all our players are potential heroes.

What's also important is to recognise the difference between what is possible and not possible. Some parts of the game are defined: the pitch is defined, movement and turns are limited, some actions are only allowed once, there is a maximum and a minimum for players on the field and on the line of scrimmage. Most importantly, positioning must be done properly; there are ideal or textbook patterns which work best. Now, fantasy football is a bash game because when you block you have more 2-die, dice roles with a reroll. Hell, there would be no blood if it wasn't! Blocking is the only 2-die role you can reroll. Assuming a strength and skill advantage, the chance of failure is minimal, quad skulls is basically as sympathetic as Nuffle gets. However, it's not exactly no dice, it's conservative risk management. No dice, for me, means that the dice become as important as the fluff, the painting, the social aspect or perhaps the archetypes that make fantasy appealing. 

Rolling dice is a bit of a waste of time. It is perhaps a necessary evil but one that easily becomes meaningless. For me meaning comes from the ABCDEs of fantasy football: Always Being Conscious of Dice-Emotions. Perhaps I am suggesting the "Alphabet" school of fantasy football.
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Posted by koadah on 2025-03-03 19:35:36
I'd vote for "Play for fun".
Posted by Nightbird on 2025-03-04 02:26:38
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing this.
Posted by richiemccaw on 2025-03-04 05:58:53
"You fail 100% of the dodges you don’t roll." - Nuffle, probably.
Posted by koadah on 2025-03-04 09:29:24
"Tilt is why fantasy football is not suitable for children" ????? :)

https://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=33089
Posted by dementor42 on 2025-03-04 10:12:02
Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time
-me, just then
Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2025-03-04 14:22:19
Isn't all time wasted?
Posted by Habeli on 2025-03-04 17:15:29
Depends on what is the meaning of life and one's personal goals in life.
IMO playing is a waste of time, but can be entertaining and emotionally pleasant when done in reasonable amounts.
Posted by MattDakka on 2025-03-04 19:22:33
If you compare Blood Bowl to professional Chess, Go, Poker or e-sports with money prizes and for you the "meaning" lies in an economic revenue, Blood Bowl is utterly meaningless (unless you are the GW selling it, of course!).
If, for you, the "meaning" of Blood Bowl lies in its entertainment value, then it's as meaningful as any hobby can be. Something you do for the amusement or for the challenge, if you play it competitively, and to spend some time with people, but not to gain money.
Things in life are meaningful because we consider them meaningful, not because they have an absolute meaningful value.
The same goes for the value of time invested on activities. An hour of Blood Bowl can be considered by some people a massive waste of time, by other people time well spent.
Posted by ArrestedDevelopment on 2025-03-04 22:29:26
tl;dr: nothing is a waste of time if it has actionable practice for the rest of life. And blood bowl is a very nice machine for practising process oriented thinking, emotional control, and low level logistics and planning.
It is entirely possible to derive fun from active practice of the above.

If nothing else hopefully people can learn over time to be kinder to themselves.
Posted by mrt1212 on 2025-03-04 22:50:19
+1 AD, +1 and a half!
Posted by Zelmor on 2025-03-04 22:58:26
I'm not sure what the central idea you are trying to pass on is.
Posted by gettym on 2025-03-05 15:52:17
(Sorry, also long read)

Interesting ideas here. I like that you mention the role-playing aspect, because for me that is the key. This takes the definition of "meaning" in a slightly different direction, but I'll run with it. For me, the fluff/role-playing aspect of the game provides meaning much in the same way storytelling (the narrative instinct) can provide meaning to life.

Life and Blood Bowl can sometimes feel like completely random endeavors. Why did this succeed and this fail? It's all just a random roll of the dice, a random interaction of particles, physics, chaos. But as humans, we are meaning-making machines--hence the desire to tell stories, shape histories, create religions etc.

This, of course, can be a blessing and a curse. But I'll focus only on the positive side for now, and say that narrative/story-telling allows us to cope with the random, meaningless feeling life can sometimes have. This is the same for Blood Bowl. When I play too many games without pausing to look back at each and savor the "story" of the matches, this game can start to feel pointless and arbitrary. But when I dig into the potential story of each game, it can feel glorious, epic, laugh-out-loud funny, or at the very least compelling.

One of the take-aways for me then is a reminder of the value of this in life as well. Pausing for reflection, myth-making, story-telling, etc. in our own lives can be just as (or actually more) valuable. However, it's best if we don't think consciously about this and see that we are our own "man behind the curtain" so to speak. It's better that we remember just to tell ourselves stories and embrace those stories as "real" and "true."

These stories don't have to be comforting or have happy endings. They just need to be compelling enough to give shape and form to the chaotic mess that is life--in the same way they give shape and form to the chaotic mess that is Blood Bowl.

This, for me, is the deep and lasting meaning of this silly, maddening, and meaningless game.
Posted by CrisisChris on 2025-03-05 19:44:23
I am not sure if I got the central idea of the post, but I would disagree to the statement that only the controlling of emotions can bring meaning to fantasy football. (At least if we have the same understanding of 'meaning')

When it comes to meaning as I understand it, I would go with gettym's analysis. In case you suggest to use meaning and success as synonyms I could somehow agree. Fixing tilt, be conscious of your emotions and some other fundamentals will make you a better coach... Was that what you wanted to say? I am not quite sure.

Nevertheless, even when the whole does not speak to me, there are some interesting ideas and references in your posting. Thanks for sharing
Posted by Rodmod77 on 2025-03-07 18:44:53
Thank you for that. A great read.