Joost
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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May 12, 2024 - 18:55 |
 
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Elyod is a really good coach and I’m not surprised he would squeeze something out of the roster. I just played my first game against gnomes (with orcs) and my opponent got bad dice, but even then the roster seemed very hard to play to me. For now I have them as the worst roster in the game. No dodge is a killer, both for survivability but also it kills mobility - engage them and they should disappear like snow in warm weather. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 13, 2024 - 13:09 |
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If you want to make any statements about the roster, come back with 50 games against what i call tier 1 rosters in my roster tier post, where the coaches are evenly matched in CR tier. |
50 games all played by the same Gnome team or 50 games with 3 different Gnome teams played for 15 games each and 5 games with another Gnome team?
If you keep on playing the same Gnome team for 50 games the building would be different (the TV-matching as well due to no rookie protection).
The context is very important in statistics.
As an aside, I would consider a sample size of at least 100 games. 50 games is not that large, considering that there are 29 rosters. |
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Nelphine
Joined: Apr 01, 2011
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May 13, 2024 - 13:26 |
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50 games, split between as many teams/coaches as needed.
I agree it isnt enough for a proper sample size to see what they should actually be ranked.
But, for purposes of reconsidering whether there is potential, id be ok with it. (Again, with the caveat that all games are against coaches who are at least in the same CR tier as the gnome coach, and all games are against tier 1 or tier 1.5 rosters as defined in my other thread.) |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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May 13, 2024 - 14:01 |
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I know that one game is not a stat but...
https://fumbbl.com/p/match?id=4545574
Poor Spellen was told all wrong but give the fox a couple of stats + agility skill and you'll never get it again--not only can they win at low TV but also at medium....
There is to say that without even an Apo after 14 games with the Foxes still alive... we shall see
I start understanding now why in Trophy Gnomes has been rated Tiers 4 and i think i agree |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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May 13, 2024 - 17:58 |
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That team though.. one of the trees has randomed to Defensive, presumably fishing for Jump Up, but with Guard as well it's probably very annoying to play against with a bash team
The other sadly has Catch and Diving Tackle |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 13, 2024 - 18:08 |
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A Treeman with Catch could be used to turtle in a corner of the pitch by handing him the ball off (not adjacent to the corner, just 1 square away to receive the hand off, otherwise the ball could scatter out of the pitch; once he gets the ball he can move to the very corner square, protected by the other Treeman and Gnomes all around), with another Treeman nearby and a cloud of Gnomes.
It's something I wanted to do with Halflings but never tried it. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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May 13, 2024 - 19:47 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | A Treeman with Catch could be used to turtle in a corner of the pitch by handing him the ball off (not adjacent to the corner, just 1 square away to receive the hand off, otherwise the ball could scatter out of the pitch; once he gets the ball he can move to the very corner square, protected by the other Treeman and Gnomes all around), with another Treeman nearby and a cloud of Gnomes.
It's something I wanted to do with Halflings but never tried it. |
Why ? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 13, 2024 - 19:53 |
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Because I don't play Halflings due to the lack of a CR incentive taking into account their gameplay difficulty. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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May 13, 2024 - 20:01 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | Because I don't play Halflings due to the lack of a CR incentive taking into account their gameplay difficulty. |
I mean why you want to give ball to a tree in a corner ? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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May 13, 2024 - 20:07 |
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To protect the ball from opponents and to secure a tie in some games. It's hard to knock down a ST 6 player with an adjacent ST 6 Guard + a swarm of ST 2 players (two of them could be Guards too, in case of Gnomes). The corner makes impossible to surround the Treeman to knock him down with assists.
Imagine this scenario:
Gnomes receive and manage to score on turn 8.
Opponent scores quickly in 2nd Half (maybe not too quickly, but fast enough that 4 turns are left).
If the Gnomes at this stage are outnumbered (quite possible) then they could try to hand the ball off to the Catch Treeman in a corner, protecting the ball for the remaining turns of 2nd Half.
It could be a way to use Catch on a Treeman.
Not saying that this should be a default tactic, I'm just suggesting a way to use Catch on a Treeman. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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May 13, 2024 - 22:19 |
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We are all looking forward to seeing you playing Gnomes with a Catcher Treeman in Trophy, Dakka. |
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Sifu
Joined: Jan 19, 2013
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May 13, 2024 - 23:26 |
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Norn
Joined: Mar 20, 2020
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May 14, 2024 - 00:45 |
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What an insane, beautiful game  |
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Java
Joined: Jan 27, 2018
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May 14, 2024 - 07:33 |
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BEST COW is happy to have contributed to that and will now temporarily retire until redraft is here |
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kozak
Joined: Feb 25, 2017
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Aug 05, 2024 - 20:20 |
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Just give them dodge and only allow few positionals to have wrestle. I've been able to win with them, but it's HARD!
I still like them because they are a stunty team. But they need a secret weapon of some sort.
They are part of the Halfling thimble Cup but cannot get the chief for 100k!? Why?
Let them cook!!!!!!!!!! |
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Gnomes are great!
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